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Re: Spirit of Prophesy
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09/19/05 06:51 PM
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Rosangela It would indeed be unusual, but not impossible. Remember that Jesus is called the "word", and the purpose of the Spirits work on earth is to testify about Jesus. quote:
John 16 5"Now I am going to him who sent me, yet none of you asks me, 'Where are you going?' 6Because I have said these things, you are filled with grief. 7But I tell you the truth: It is for your good that I am going away. Unless I go away, the Counselor will not come to you; but if I go, I will send him to you. 8When he comes, he will convict the world of guilt[a] in regard to sin and righteousness and judgment: 9in regard to sin, because men do not believe in me; 10in regard to righteousness, because I am going to the Father, where you can see me no longer; 11and in regard to judgment, because the prince of this world now stands condemned.
12I have much more to say to you, more than you can now bear. 13But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come. 14He will bring glory to me by taking from what is mine and making it known to you. 15All that belongs to the Father is mine. That is why I said the Spirit will take from what is mine and make it known to you.
16"In a little while you will see me no more, and then after a little while you will see me."
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Re: Spirit of Prophesy
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09/19/05 06:53 PM
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Originally posted by Mountain Man:
However, it seems clear to me that the use of the phrase "having the testimony of Jesus" in the Revelation means that the SDA church possesses, and rightly employs, the prophetic writings of Sister White. That is, the Church will not, in the end, make of "none effect" her inspired counsel and testimonies. Amen.
Mike,
The best sollution is maybe to agree to disagree and leave it at that...
/Thomas
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Re: Spirit of Prophesy
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09/20/05 03:45 AM
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Can anyone present an argument that the Testimony of Jesus = the Spirit of Prophesy is referring to Ellen White in a way which would be plausible to a non-Adventist?
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Re: Spirit of Prophesy
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One convincing evidence is the concept of 'the gathering prophet,' i.e. the way God often sends a prophet at the beginning of a prophetic time period, and then sends another one at the end of that same time period, to proclaim the ending of the period as being present truth for that time, and to gather and lead a 'remnant.' See the Stephen Bohr study on this at http://members.cox.net/jhowardjr/sda/Bohr_time_prophecies.pdf and the Clark Floyd article "The Gathering," in the April 2004 issue of Our Firm Foundation, p. 4. http://www.hopeint.org/foundation/OFF1904w.pdf Ellen White's ministry began right when a prophet of God was supposed to show up; right at the termination of the 2300-day prophecy of Daniel 8:14. And that was her primary message, that the sanctuary was commencing to be cleansed, the judgment of God's people was beginning. Present truth for that time (and ours still). She led out a remnant, which became the SDA Church.
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Re: Spirit of Prophesy
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09/20/05 04:39 AM
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I will check those out John, and thanks for providing that information.
One thing that I am wondering is what about today? Will the Spirit of Prophecy be seen in someone or people?
I was thinking that between the last book of the Old Testament and the New Testament there was roughly 400 some odd years with no prophet, and am wondering if that is a parallel we are seeing today.
God Bless,
Will
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Re: Spirit of Prophesy
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09/20/05 05:59 AM
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Do you know anything about the acceptance rate among non-sda for this information? I imagen that a person who accepts Ellen as a prophet would soon become an sda. Also, once you convince someone that it was time to raise a prophet around then, how do you proceed to show that this prophet was Ellen? There isnt exactly any lack of wouldbe prophets from the mid 19th century.
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Re: Spirit of Prophesy
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The proof is in the pudding, as they say. As soon as I read "The Desire of Ages" I was convinsed she was divinely inspired. I wasn't an SDA at the time and didn't know anything about her. It was just clear to me from reading the book.
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Re: Spirit of Prophesy
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09/21/05 03:05 AM
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Re: Spirit of Prophesy
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quote:
Originally posted by Tom Ewall:
Can anyone present an argument that the Testimony of Jesus = the Spirit of Prophesy is referring to Ellen White in a way which would be plausible to a non-Adventist?
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The proof is in the pudding, as they say. As soon as I read "The Desire of Ages" I was convinsed she was divinely inspired. I wasn't an SDA at the time and didn't know anything about her. It was just clear to me from reading the book.
So the answere to your first question is to read the Desire of Ages?
/Thomas
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Re: Spirit of Prophesy
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09/20/05 09:59 PM
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I wasn't wishing to pass off my experience as a universal solution. Everybody's experience is different. It was just a personal testimony.
However, I think the concept that "the proof is in the pudding" is valid. If one reads the Bible, and doesn't perceive the voice of God, how would you convince someone otherwise? Similarly with the Spirit of Prophecy I think.
In the final analysis, the onus is on God to communicate what is or what is not truth to us. We choose whether or not be believe what He's telling us.
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