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Are the writtings of EGWhite equal to the BIBLE ? #7198
03/01/06 02:30 AM
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D R  Offline OP
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It seems that many are taking any and all of EGWhites writtings and claiming that they are ALL inspired and are equal to the Bible. What is the churches view on this and what is EGWhites view on this and finally what is the Bible's view on this.

Re: Are the writtings of EGWhite equal to the BIBLE ? #7199
03/01/06 03:19 AM
03/01/06 03:19 AM
Tom  Offline
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Read Chapter 2 of 1SM (Selected Messages, Volume 1), and you will find a detailed answer to your question. In this chapter Ellen White answers a question very similar to yours.

Regarding the church's position, from the official website we find:

quote:
One of the gifts of the Holy Spirit is prophecy. This gift is an identifying mark of the remnant church and was manifested in the ministry of Ellen. G. White . As the Lord's messenger, her writings are a continuing and authoritative source of truth which provide for the church comfort, guidance, instruction, and correction. They also make clear that the Bible is the standard by which all teaching and experience must be tested. (Joel 2:28, 29; Acts 2:14-21; Heb. 1:1-3; Rev. 12:17; 19:10.)
Since the church recognizes Ellen White as the Lord's messenger, by reading her answer to your question you will also be getting the church's position.

You can find a link to Ellen White's writings on line here: http://egwdatabase.whiteestate.org/

Re: Are the writtings of EGWhite equal to the BIBLE ? #7200
03/01/06 03:31 AM
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Dear Snowman:
When Ellen White was a member of the Seventh-day Adventist Church, the first statement of faith was published in 1872. That statement said that the Holy Scriptures of the Old and New Testaments... are the only infallible rule of faith and practice. In 1888, Ellen White stated that God would have a people upon the earth to maintain the Bible and the Bible only as the standard of all doctrines and the basis of all reforms. (GC88 595). In 1980, the uninspired leaders of the Seventh-day Adventist church eliminated from the statement of faith the phrase "the only infallible rule of faith and practice". If the testimonies (the writings of Ellen White) speak not according to the word of God, we are to reject them. See 5T691

Re: Are the writtings of EGWhite equal to the BIBLE ? #7201
03/01/06 12:04 PM
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The OP assumes a treatment of the Bible that is not true. Christians, Adventists included, ignore many parts of the Bible. We are trying to deceive people when we give the impression that we follow everything the Bible teaches. The fact is that we don't follow everything the Bible teaches. Let's stop fronting and be honest with ourselves and with others.

When that is cleared the issue of how to treat EGW's writings goes away.

Re: Are the writtings of EGWhite equal to the BIBLE ? #7202
03/01/06 05:57 PM
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Snowman, while the Bible is our infallible text (notwithstanding its inspired discrepancies), the Holy Spirit is our infallible guide (notwithstanding our uninspired discrepancies). Without the Holy Spirit guiding us in these last days, via the inspired writings of Sister White, I shudder to think of the shipwreck we would make of the Remnant Church (the SDA church).

Re: Are the writtings of EGWhite equal to the BIBLE ? #7203
03/01/06 10:30 PM
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I shudder to think of the shipwreck uninspired use of Ellens writings has atempted/is atempting to make of the SDA church.

/Thomas

Re: Are the writtings of EGWhite equal to the BIBLE ? #7204
03/02/06 02:39 PM
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Who wrote the Bible?

"For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost." (2 Peter 1:21)

Who wrote Ellen White's counsels?

"I am just as dependent upon the Spirit of the Lord in relating or writing a vision, as in having the vision." (Spiritual Gifts, Vol. 2, pages 292-293)

Do we pit the Holy Spirit against the Holy Spirit?

"Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation; and every city or house divided against itself shall not stand: And if Satan cast out Satan (or in this case, the Holy Spirit cast out the Holy Spirit) he is divided aginst himself; how shall his kingdom stand?" (Matthew 12:25-26)

So which are more important, the writings of the Bible or the SOP?

In essence, neither is more important than the other. Neither is one above the other, having the same unchangable Author. But there are some differences.

The Bible presents the whole plan of salvation, the SOP does not change that fact.

The SOP makes the plan easier to understand and explains it with more detail.

I pity those who try to dicotimize between the two, for they shall have neither in the end. And even the little innuendoes I read here indicate that there are those who are subtly trying to make of no effect the SOP. Even true statements can be made into a lie depending on how they are used.

Are ALL Ellen White's writings inspired? Beware of your conclusions as, most likely, you will be wrong. The heart is deceitful above all things and loves unrighteousness. And those who find themselves in this position will soon learn to love the lie to suit their own position of worthiness.

And those who see discrepencies in the Bible itself, the SOP itself, or between the two; have not done their homework.

Re: Are the writtings of EGWhite equal to the BIBLE ? #7205
03/02/06 02:42 PM
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Bill, what did your "homework" show you? How do you explain the discrepancies that exist?

Re: Are the writtings of EGWhite equal to the BIBLE ? #7206
03/02/06 02:46 PM
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Bill, if the Bible contains no inspired discrepancies, how, then, do you explain them? I'm sure you know which ones I'm referring to. For example, how many times did Jesus prophesy that Peter would deny Him relative to how many times the cock would crow?

Re: Are the writtings of EGWhite equal to the BIBLE ? #7207
03/03/06 03:41 AM
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quote:
Are ALL Ellen White's writings inspired?
This reminds me of a conversation where someone asked if while at the dinner table Ellen White said, "Pass the potatoes" if that was inspired.

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