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Re: I would appreciate your help and advice. #73149
04/17/06 08:35 PM
04/17/06 08:35 PM
asygo  Offline
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Quote:

It's always amusing to find people who cannot run their own lives become experts at running other people's lives.




Welcome back, Bro Darius. It's clear your incisive insights and your uncanny ability to share the depths of your understanding have remained unabated. I appreciate your valiant efforts to lead the rest of us into sanctification. May God bless you, and us.


By God's grace,
Arnold

1 John 5:11-13
And this is the testimony, that God gave us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. Whoever has the Son has life; whoever does not have the Son of God does not have life. I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, that you may know that you have eternal life.
Re: I would appreciate your help and advice. #73150
04/17/06 08:57 PM
04/17/06 08:57 PM
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I can't accept the accolade Bro. Go because it is God who sancitifies. I cannot lead anyone into sanctification. My only goal is to draw attention to the fact that we are off-track. I have no intention of doing the Creator's work for Him. He is able.


Darius A. Lecointe, J.D., Ph.D.
No weapon formed against me shall prosper.
Re: I would appreciate your help and advice. #73151
04/17/06 09:39 PM
04/17/06 09:39 PM
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it is God who sancitifies. I cannot lead anyone into sanctification.




I didn't intend to imply that you can sanctify any other man. Yes, it is God only Who sanctifies. But you are playing a significant role in that process, whether you know it or not.

Quote:

My only goal is to draw attention to the fact that we are off-track.




Error can be revealed only by the light of truth. If you want to accomplish your goal, you need to present God-given truth. It is better to shout out the truths of God than the errors of men.

By beholding, we are changed into the same image. Choose wisely what you behold.


By God's grace,
Arnold

1 John 5:11-13
And this is the testimony, that God gave us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. Whoever has the Son has life; whoever does not have the Son of God does not have life. I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, that you may know that you have eternal life.
Re: I would appreciate your help and advice. #73152
04/18/06 12:45 AM
04/18/06 12:45 AM
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Claudia Thompson  Offline
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Mountain Man,

Hello, getting back to your original question, I just wanted to caution you.

For about the past 6 years events have led me to just eat whatever I wanted to thinking well tomorrow I will change.

Now I realize the foolishness of doing that and hopefully not too late. Now I understand why Ellen White kept saying that if we dont take care of ourselves, each time we do that, we are drawing upon our "emergency stash" so to speak.

Kind of like money in the bank... you make yourself a savings account by practicing right health habits, and each time you dont do that and you abuse your body in any way, later on, when you least expect it, you might have an injury or something else, and your body will desperately need all the forces you have stored up for such an emergency. But if you neglected to take care of yourself, then you will find your body to be bankrupt of that extra stored up energy you need to get you over the emergency.

This is what I am experiencing now. I absolutely regret not taking care of myself better. And if God tells us not to do something, we need to take it absolutely seriously, not only for our own body's good but also because anything we do to our body effects our minds and our ability to be spiritually perceptive.

Especially if you are a Pastor, I believe from what I have read, that you are doubly responsible to keep your mind and body in the very best condition possible so that you can have clear spiritual perception, since you are responsible for influencing others toward or away from obtaining eternal life.

If I were you I would think twice about what the guy said to you and dont allow it to offend you, but allow it to bring this to your attention, no matter how the guy said it... God may be trying to help you, and through you, others who you will influence.

Think of this, if you eat ice cream 3 times a month, and sister white says milk and sugar together have an even worse effect than meat does... that adds up to 1 tenth of your life that you are doing this to yourself. every 10 days. Thats alot. You are using up your emergency fund withot realizing it but some day you will reap what you have sown.
Meaning this as a friend, Bro, take it from one who has experienced this.


The Signs of the Times, March 2, 1882, paragraph 8
Article Title: Daniel a Temperance Reformer
Those who, like Daniel, refuse to defile themselves, will reap the reward of their temperate habits. With their greater physical stamina and increased power of endurance, they have a bank of deposit upon which to draw in case of emergency.

Counsels on Health, page 42, paragraph 2
Chapter Title: Essentials to Health
Adherence to a Simple Diet
If ever there was a time when the diet should be of the most simple kind, it is now. Meat should not be placed before our children. Its influence is to excite and strengthen the lower passions and has a tendency to deaden the moral powers. Grains and fruits prepared free from grease, and in as natural a condition as possible, should be the food for the tables of all who claim to be preparing for translation to heaven. The less feverish the diet, the more easily can the passions be controlled. Gratification of taste should not be consulted irrespective of physical, intellectual, or moral health.
Indulgence of the baser passions will lead very many to shut their eyes to the light; for they fear that they will see sins which they are unwilling to forsake. All may see if they will. If they choose darkness rather than light, their criminality will be none the less. Why do not men and women read and become intelligent upon these things, which so decidedly affect their physical, intellectual, and moral strength?-- Testimonies for the Church, vol. 2, p. 352 (1869).

What have such gained? Perhaps they have been able to keep the principal good, and add to it. But on the other hand, what have they lost? Their capital of health, which is invaluable to the poor as well as the rich, has been steadily diminishing. The mother and the children have made repeated drafts upon their fund of health and strength, thinking that such an extravagant expenditure would never exhaust their capital, until they are surprised at last to find their vigor of life exhausted. They have nothing left to draw upon in case of emergency. The sweetness and happiness of life are embittered by racking pains and sleepless nights. Both physical and mental vigor are gone. The husband and father who, for the sake of gain, made the unwise arrangement of his business, it may be with the full sanction of the wife and mother, may, as the result, bury the mother and one or more of the children. Health and life were sacrificed for the love of money. (Read 1 Timothy 6:10.)-- Testimonies for the Church, vol, 1, p. 478 (1865).

Last edited by Claudia Thompson; 04/18/06 12:51 AM.
Re: I would appreciate your help and advice. #73153
04/18/06 01:16 AM
04/18/06 01:16 AM
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Claudia Thompson  Offline
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Or to put it a little simpler... Your body should be viewed as a "Bank".

Each and every time you take good care of yourself and follow the health laws, you are adding to your savings account that you will be able to draw upon later on in an emergency.

Each and every time that you violate any of the health laws (makes no difference what your motive is)... you are withdrawing money from your account, your resources.

Then something comes along, and injury, the flu, whatever...and because you dont get a "Bank Statement" so that you can realize how high or how low your account is... nevertheless, if you dont have any extra left to draw upon, you are in deep trouble, and many times just before this happens you feel just fine, with no indication of the real dangerous state that your body is in.

Too late perhaps, you will realize your folly.

Claudia

Last edited by Claudia Thompson; 04/18/06 01:17 AM.

Jn:15:15: Henceforth I call you not servants; for the servant knoweth not what his lord doeth: but I have called you friends; for all things that I have heard of my Father I have made known unto you.
Re: I would appreciate your help and advice. #73154
04/22/06 01:27 AM
04/22/06 01:27 AM
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It is interesting that "we" put such emphasis on the physical body...What does the 350+ pound SDA member feel like when they read or hear this "works" message of "salvation through foods". Man, what would Christ offer us in message? Yes scripture does talk about the body being the temple...BUT has anyone figured out how to keep the body in perfect condition?
-If a person eats unclean meats, will they be condemned to Hell?

Re: I would appreciate your help and advice. #73155
04/22/06 01:46 AM
04/22/06 01:46 AM
Will  Offline
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BBD,
Here's my take on it. The 350+ pound SDA will be aware of the health impact it can have on your heart, and joints i.e. knees, so they would be actively pursuing getting healthier, wouldn't you?
I recently made a major, I mean major overhaul in my diet, and this was because my immune system has been compromised due to high stress that was at a very high level fos several years. In the past 2 months I have been sick around 5 or 6 times, so its pretty bad.
I realized what the cause of it is, and have been making steady and strong progress, and I feel healthier, my mind is clearer, more endurance, and I have more energy.
My respiratory system kept on getting hit badly, and I had this cough cause my respiratory system was not healthy.
The foods of today are packaged for sheer consumption, and that comes at a cost..your health.
By eating right whichmeans lots of fruit, lots of water, lots of vitamin rich foods i.e. greens,sprouts,beans, and eliminating sugars and breads will make a trmendous difference.
My body is going through a detox because of the mycotoxins in my body that are dying off causes me to feel very edgy.
I dont want to die from a stupid flu. You know why the birds are dropping like flies from this "bird flu" which has been around as long as birds have been around? Its because of the pollution that has suppressed their immune systems, go figure. Its a viscious cycle.
I do this cause I want to be healthy, and we have a health message which is very powerful. Heck try it out for 10 days, Daniel did and he fared much better than the best of babylon
God Bless & Happy Sabbath,
Will

Last edited by Will; 04/22/06 02:14 AM.
Re: I would appreciate your help and advice. #73156
04/22/06 12:19 PM
04/22/06 12:19 PM
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vastergotland  Offline
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Maybe birds die by one birdflu and not from another for the same reason that the black death took more than half of europes people in the middle ages while most people then as now survive chicken pox?


Galatians 2
21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.

It is so hazardous to take here a little and there a little. If you put the right little's together you can make the bible teach anything you wish. //Graham Maxwell
Re: I would appreciate your help and advice. #73157
04/22/06 02:48 PM
04/22/06 02:48 PM
Will  Offline
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Posts: 2,332
BC, Canada
I think there are many strains running around of the bird flu, some manipulated, spliced and repackaged. I never had the chicken pox, but had the measles when I was a kid.
I read somewhere inthe news either bbc or something that 1 lady was diagnosed with the plague?!
God Bless,
Will

Re: I would appreciate your help and advice. #73158
04/24/06 10:02 PM
04/24/06 10:02 PM
Mountain Man  Offline OP
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Arnold and Claudia, I agree. The time is well nigh past for me to adopt a vegan diet and NEWSTART lifestyle. By the grace of God That's exactly what I am going to do. Not because I think it is a sin not to; but because I want to live a long and full life. I have given up eating my single scoop of ice cream several times a month. In its place I'll eat Tofuti.

PS - I thought we stopped allowing Darius to post on MSDAOL? The reasons he was banished in the first place still persist (see his past few posts). Are we going to have to put up with his unChristlike manners? I hope not.

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