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Re: I would appreciate your help and advice.
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04/26/06 11:53 PM
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Another thing we discussed (referring to the phone call mentioned at the beginning of this thread) is whether or not he would come up in the first resurrection if he died before overcoming his impatience problem. He said that he would come up in the first resurrection even if he does not overcome it. He also said that he would not be translated alive with it, that he would be lost if Jesus returned.
Do you agree? Does Jesus save the dead and the living based on two different standards?
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Re: I would appreciate your help and advice.
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What does the 350+ pound SDA member feel like when they read or hear this "works" message of "salvation through foods".
Romans 14:7 says that "the kingdom of God is not eating and drinking, but righteousness and peace and joy in the Holy Spirit."
What will that member feel like when he reads this verse? It all depends on his purpose.
If his life revolves around eating and drinking, he's going to have problems with the kingdom of God. It will be torture to be "saved" from his food.
If his life revolves around righteousness and peace and joy, then food becomes merely a means to an end. He will eat in such a way as to increase his ability to achieve his goal.
Is this "salvation through foods"? It would seem so to those for whom food is the central issue. But in reality, it is "salvation from self." If we learn to deny self, the food becomes almost insignificant.
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BUT has anyone figured out how to keep the body in perfect condition?
We have not been called to physical perfection. Whether or not one has a perfect body is almost immaterial.
We have been called to character perfection. Address that and everything else - food, drink, health, etc. - all become means to glorify God.
By God's grace,
Arnold
1 John 5:11-13
And this is the testimony, that God gave us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. Whoever has the Son has life; whoever does not have the Son of God does not have life. I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, that you may know that you have eternal life.
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Re: I would appreciate your help and advice.
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Does Jesus save the dead and the living based on two different standards?
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Re: I would appreciate your help and advice.
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Does Jesus save the dead and the living based on two different standards?
The only necessity for salvation is to be lost. There is nothing that the one lost needs to do. "He shall save His people from their sins." It is all His act.
Darius A. Lecointe, J.D., Ph.D.
No weapon formed against me shall prosper.
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Re: I would appreciate your help and advice.
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MM, are you talking about translation when you refer to saving the living?
Those who wait for the Bridegroom's coming are to say to the people, "Behold your God." The last rays of merciful light, the last message of mercy to be given to the world, is a revelation of His character of love.
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Re: I would appreciate your help and advice.
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Does Jesus save the dead and the living based on two different standards?
There is only one basis or standard for salvation - Christ's righteousness imputed to us through forgiving grace.
But the God-ordained way of determining who has partaken of His salvation is somewhat different - Christ's righteousness imparted to us through enabling grace. This is the basis of the judgment.
This holds true for all. The only difference may be in the level of maturity. But whether living or dead, overcoming all known sin is essential. And this overcoming must happen while still alive, because neither the grave nor Christ's return will modify character.
By God's grace,
Arnold
1 John 5:11-13
And this is the testimony, that God gave us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. Whoever has the Son has life; whoever does not have the Son of God does not have life. I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, that you may know that you have eternal life.
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Re: I would appreciate your help and advice.
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One often hears that the standard of judgment is the law. The law is simply a transcript of God's character. So this is just another way of saying that to God to heaven one must be in harmony with God. To know God is eternal life.
Those who wait for the Bridegroom's coming are to say to the people, "Behold your God." The last rays of merciful light, the last message of mercy to be given to the world, is a revelation of His character of love.
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Re: I would appreciate your help and advice.
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Tom, yes, I was referring to those who will be translated alive.
Arnold, I agree. Overcoming and obedience are the criteria upon which Jesus bases our eternal destiny in judgment.
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He who chooses a course of disobedience to God's law is deciding his future destiny; he is sowing to the flesh, earning the wages of sin, even eternal destruction, the opposite of life eternal. Submission to God and obedience to His holy law bring the sure result. "This is life eternal, that they might know Thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom Thou hast sent." {FE 376.1}
LHU 348
The judgment will be conducted in accordance with the rules God has laid down. By the law which men are now called upon to obey, but which many refuse to accept, all will be judged. As by it character is tested, every man will find his proper place in one of two classes. He will either be holy to the Lord through obedience to His law, or be stained with sin through transgression. {LHU 348.3}
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None who have had the light of truth will enter the city of God as commandment-breakers. His law lies at the foundation of His government in earth and in heaven. If they have knowingly trampled upon and despised His law on the earth, they will not be taken to heaven to do the same work there; there is no change of character when Christ comes. {FW 43.2}
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Re: I would appreciate your help and advice.
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In light of the quotes posted above I have another question: If we should die before our character defects are crucified will we come up in the first resurrection and go to heaven? Or, will Jesus change them when He returns?
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These questions sadden me.
Darius A. Lecointe, J.D., Ph.D.
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