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Re: We Have All Been Saved
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04/28/06 06:41 PM
04/28/06 06:41 PM
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You hit the nail on the head, Daryl. We have consistently failed to grasp the true meaning of salvation. It begins by asking how we came to need to be saved. It was not because of something we had done but because we were deceived to do something we would not ordinarily do. The purpose of the Plan of Salvation was to redeem us from the one who claimed us. The damage that was done to us during our capture will be handled when we are changed in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, in the same way that the prodigal was cleaned up by his father after he was in the house.
Darius A. Lecointe, J.D., Ph.D.
No weapon formed against me shall prosper.
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Re: We Have All Been Saved
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04/28/06 08:25 PM
04/28/06 08:25 PM
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Then, will everybody who ever lived be "changed in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye"?
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Re: We Have All Been Saved
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04/28/06 08:51 PM
04/28/06 08:51 PM
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"Saved" in the corporate sense means "saved from harm or danger". "Saved" in the Greek means "healed," and is how the term is applied to individuals. "Saved" according to general religious use means going to heaven, and would again apply to individuals.
Those who wait for the Bridegroom's coming are to say to the people, "Behold your God." The last rays of merciful light, the last message of mercy to be given to the world, is a revelation of His character of love.
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Re: We Have All Been Saved
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04/29/06 12:54 PM
04/29/06 12:54 PM
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Then, will everybody who ever lived be "changed in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye"?
No not everyone will be saved. Only those who have loved and obeyed God from the love they have for Him. The rest will be destroyed by the brightnest of His coming and will be dead till the 2nd resurection. God's Word is very plain on this.
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Re: We Have All Been Saved
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04/29/06 01:04 PM
04/29/06 01:04 PM
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"And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every freeman, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains; and said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of Him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb: for the great day of His wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?" Revelation 6:15-17.
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Re: We Have All Been Saved
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04/29/06 05:43 PM
04/29/06 05:43 PM
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Also it's not accurate to say that all of the damage done to us by sin will be fixed when Jesus comes. The only thing that will be changed then is the bodies of the redeemed being changed from mortal to immortal. Characters won't be changed then; all character perfection is to be accomplished prior to the close of probation.
"Believe in the Lord your God, so shall ye be established; believe His prophets, so shall ye prosper." - 2 Chronicles 20:20
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Re: We Have All Been Saved
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04/29/06 09:42 PM
04/29/06 09:42 PM
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Daryl, I will tell you what I told the church this morning. God made one race and He lost that race to the enemy. He came and saved that race. Until He can reintegrate the entire race no one is going anywhere. We can continue to believe our exclusive gospel but history has shown its effects. All we continue to do is live and die and that pattern will continue until we get it right. It is all or none as far as God is concerned. "He shall save His people from their sins," was the promise of the angel.
Darius A. Lecointe, J.D., Ph.D.
No weapon formed against me shall prosper.
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Re: We Have All Been Saved
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04/29/06 09:45 PM
04/29/06 09:45 PM
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Also it's not accurate to say that all of the damage done to us by sin will be fixed when Jesus comes. The only thing that will be changed then is the bodies of the redeemed being changed from mortal to immortal. Characters won't be changed then; all character perfection is to be accomplished prior to the close of probation.
Two problems with this statement. First, you seem to put a limit on the power of the Creator to change and restore. Second, you appear to judge character by behavior so that if someone's behavior is not acceptable to you you think they have a bad character. You are wrong on both counts.
Darius A. Lecointe, J.D., Ph.D.
No weapon formed against me shall prosper.
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Re: We Have All Been Saved
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04/29/06 09:53 PM
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Then, will everybody who ever lived be "changed in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye"?
No not everyone will be saved. Only those who have loved and obeyed God from the love they have for Him. The rest will be destroyed by the brightnest of His coming and will be dead till the 2nd resurection. God's Word is very plain on this.
Jonah's prophecy was also very plain that Nineveh would be destroyed in 40 days. We need to learn the lessons that are plainly set before us in this book we claim to believe. God is not bound by any statement about the future. Jonah tried that already and God set him straight. Why are we making the same mistake?
Darius A. Lecointe, J.D., Ph.D.
No weapon formed against me shall prosper.
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Re: We Have All Been Saved
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04/29/06 09:58 PM
04/29/06 09:58 PM
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Until He can reintegrate the entire race no one is going anywhere?
What do you mean by the "entire race"?
Also, what do you mean by "reintegration"?
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