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Re: We Have All Been Saved
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04/29/06 10:12 PM
04/29/06 10:12 PM
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OP
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The entire race is the race he created on this earth. God does not see individuals; he sees one person -- Adam. When He said, "Adam where art thou?" He was addressing both Adam and Eve. It was Adam who then tried to separate himself from the woman by claiming she was "the woman you gave me." Let us stop repeating the same error. We will all go or nobody goes. The evidence is overwhelming.
Reintegration refers to a total dismantling of the hold the enemy has on this world when all divisions will be no more. That is the new world we long for.
Darius A. Lecointe, J.D., Ph.D.
No weapon formed against me shall prosper.
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Re: We Have All Been Saved
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04/30/06 01:29 AM
04/30/06 01:29 AM
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The entire race is the race he created on this earth......We will all go or nobody goes.
Nobody goes?
What about those who have died in their sins, those who did not even believe that God existed?
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Re: We Have All Been Saved
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04/30/06 01:29 AM
04/30/06 01:29 AM
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Also it's not accurate to say that all of the damage done to us by sin will be fixed when Jesus comes. The only thing that will be changed then is the bodies of the redeemed being changed from mortal to immortal. Characters won't be changed then; all character perfection is to be accomplished prior to the close of probation.
Amen John...this is so true...
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Re: We Have All Been Saved
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04/30/06 04:14 AM
04/30/06 04:14 AM
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Daryl, did my explanation of what "saved" means make sense to you?
Those who wait for the Bridegroom's coming are to say to the people, "Behold your God." The last rays of merciful light, the last message of mercy to be given to the world, is a revelation of His character of love.
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Re: We Have All Been Saved
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04/30/06 06:02 PM
04/30/06 06:02 PM
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The entire race is the race he created on this earth......We will all go or nobody goes.
Nobody goes?
What about those who have died in their sins, those who did not even believe that God existed?
I am sure you know how justice treats ignorance. The Bible is clear on that. What saddens me is how teachings on which we are otherwise clear suddenly are forgotten when we need to buttress other teachings.
Darius A. Lecointe, J.D., Ph.D.
No weapon formed against me shall prosper.
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Re: We Have All Been Saved
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04/30/06 08:09 PM
04/30/06 08:09 PM
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The entire race is the race he created on this earth......We will all go or nobody goes.
Nobody goes?
What about those who have died in their sins, those who did not even believe that God existed?
I am sure you know how justice treats ignorance. The Bible is clear on that. What saddens me is how teachings on which we are otherwise clear suddenly are forgotten when we need to buttress other teachings.
Darius,
You didn't really answer my questions.
Please answer my questions.
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Re: We Have All Been Saved
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04/30/06 10:04 PM
04/30/06 10:04 PM
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I answered your question, Daryl. Anyone who did not believe God existed died in ignorance. I know what you are about to say. Before you do, consider this. Do you know anyone who knows God the way you know him, in all his majesty and love and has refused to follow Him? Be factual.
Darius A. Lecointe, J.D., Ph.D.
No weapon formed against me shall prosper.
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Re: We Have All Been Saved
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04/30/06 11:38 PM
04/30/06 11:38 PM
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"God is not bound by any statement about the future." ?
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
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Re: We Have All Been Saved
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05/01/06 03:30 PM
05/01/06 03:30 PM
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I answered your question, Daryl. Anyone who did not believe God existed died in ignorance. I know what you are about to say. Before you do, consider this. Do you know anyone who knows God the way you know him, in all his majesty and love and has refused to follow Him? Be factual.
Yes, Darius, I do.
His name was Lucifer. He knew God, in all His majesty and love, better than any, and yet, one day, refused to follow Him.
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Re: We Have All Been Saved
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05/01/06 04:51 PM
05/01/06 04:51 PM
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Daryl, I think it says a lot that although we were discussing humans you could only find an angel to demonstrate your point. Obviously, you do not know of any such human.
That aside, you need to carefully analyse Lucifer's rebellion. You will find that his rebellion was not as deliberate as you think. It was not a rejection of God's love but an acceptance of the godlikeness he experienced when Michael confronted him.
Darius A. Lecointe, J.D., Ph.D.
No weapon formed against me shall prosper.
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