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Re: We Have All Been Saved
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05/07/06 09:57 PM
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Getting back on topic, I agree that the whole world was saved from instant death, at that time namely Adam & Eve, but not saved, neither from the first death, nor from the second death.
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Re: We Have All Been Saved
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05/07/06 11:02 PM
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The instant death they were save from was the second death. That is, that is the death which would have occured instantly, had God not intervened. The second death *is* the death that sin results in. There's not some other third kind of death which God delivered the human race from. The only reason there is a first death is that God intervened, giving humanity the opporunity to exercise freedom of choice. Clearly if Adam and Eve had died (this would be the second death), no human would have had the opportunity to receive eternal life.
Those who wait for the Bridegroom's coming are to say to the people, "Behold your God." The last rays of merciful light, the last message of mercy to be given to the world, is a revelation of His character of love.
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Re: We Have All Been Saved
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05/08/06 01:25 AM
05/08/06 01:25 AM
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I dont quite follow what you are saying Tom. Man is appointed to die once and then the judgment, the first death is your physical death unless you are translated alive, and the second death is the resurrection of the wicked. Quote:
Revelation 21:8
But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.
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Hebrews 9:27
And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:
God Bless,
Will
Last edited by Will; 05/08/06 01:27 AM.
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Re: We Have All Been Saved
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05/08/06 03:49 AM
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Man was not originally appointed to die. This only happened after sin entered into the world. I was responding to Daryl's statement: Quote:
I agree that the whole world was saved from instant death, at that time namely Adam & Eve, but not saved, neither from the first death, nor from the second death.
Daryl is correct that the whole world was saved from instant death, because the Plan of Salvation was instituted when man sinned. Daryl was not seeing that this death which they were saved from actually was the second death, and I was trying to make that point clear.
Did this clarify things?
Those who wait for the Bridegroom's coming are to say to the people, "Behold your God." The last rays of merciful light, the last message of mercy to be given to the world, is a revelation of His character of love.
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Re: We Have All Been Saved
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05/08/06 01:29 PM
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Mortality implies death, doesn't it? Apart from sin, there would be no death. God alone has immortality within Himself, which is to say that everyone else was created and is sustained by His life. But this does not imply that anyone was subject to death, as death is inherent to sin alone, and not to God's creation apart from sin.
Those who wait for the Bridegroom's coming are to say to the people, "Behold your God." The last rays of merciful light, the last message of mercy to be given to the world, is a revelation of His character of love.
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Re: We Have All Been Saved
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05/08/06 02:56 PM
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Jesus made salvation (i.e., eternal life without sinning) available when He lived and died the perfect life and death. We must accept Jesus as our personal Saviour in order to reap the rewards He made available. To believe in Jesus is to behave like Jesus (please see John 14:12). If we refuse to comply with the promises of God by the time we die we are lost eternally.
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Re: We Have All Been Saved
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05/08/06 03:06 PM
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Tom,
If a prisoner in death row has his death postponed, what was he saved from?
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Re: We Have All Been Saved
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05/08/06 03:21 PM
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Quote:
Mortality implies death, doesn't it? Apart from sin, there would be no death. God alone has immortality within Himself, which is to say that everyone else was created and is sustained by His life. But this does not imply that anyone was subject to death, as death is inherent to sin alone, and not to God's creation apart from sin.
Mortality does not mean death, it means subject to death. The Creator alone is not subject to death. We must be careful with the idea that death is inherent to sin. Fruitflies always had a limited lifespan. LIfe has always been comprised of cycles. Sperm died everytime Adam knew his wife. Death is a part of life.
Darius A. Lecointe, J.D., Ph.D.
No weapon formed against me shall prosper.
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Re: We Have All Been Saved
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05/08/06 03:22 PM
05/08/06 03:22 PM
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Quote:
Tom,
If a prisoner in death row has his death postponed, what was he saved from?
What does that have to do with the human race? As I have said repeatedly, a failure to appreciate what happened in heaven and in Eden will cause problems with the Plan of Salvation.
Darius A. Lecointe, J.D., Ph.D.
No weapon formed against me shall prosper.
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