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Re: We Have All Been Saved
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05/01/06 06:25 PM
05/01/06 06:25 PM
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Darius, I want to see if I'm understanding you correctly. Your points are:
1)Just because the Scriptures present a picture of the final destruction of certain ones does not mean that this will necessarily happen, as they could repent as the Ninevites did.
2)If we know God, then we will turn to Him, and be reconciled to Him.
3)Those who do not know God ignorantly fight against Him. They are not judged for this, because they are acting in ignorance.
4)There will come a time when everyone will know the truth and accept it, leading to all being reconciled to God.
5)Everyone who has ever lived will comprise the rightoues and spend eternity with God.
Is this accurate? Do you see that these principles apply to the fallen angels as well?
Those who wait for the Bridegroom's coming are to say to the people, "Behold your God." The last rays of merciful light, the last message of mercy to be given to the world, is a revelation of His character of love.
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Re: We Have All Been Saved
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05/01/06 06:31 PM
05/01/06 06:31 PM
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I agree with 1 through 4 except to note that because of the darkness of this existence all of us have created caricatures of the Creator. That is why what Jesus desires most is that we be one because that is the divine condition. I am almost to the point of 5 but I do not know whether there has been any who may have deliberately refused to follow Christ, though I doubt it. Besides it conflicts with my view of Lucifer as I state below, based on the story of the Prodigal Son.
As far as Lucifer and the angels are concerned they are different because they consciously rebelled against the Godhead after the facts were revealed to them. They can still ask to be reconciled but they must ask. There is no ignorance to cover them.
Last edited by Darius; 05/01/06 06:34 PM.
Darius A. Lecointe, J.D., Ph.D.
No weapon formed against me shall prosper.
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Re: We Have All Been Saved
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05/01/06 08:04 PM
05/01/06 08:04 PM
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Quote:
I agree with 1 through 4 except to note that because of the darkness of this existence all of us have created caricatures of the Creator.
Amen to this point!
Those who wait for the Bridegroom's coming are to say to the people, "Behold your God." The last rays of merciful light, the last message of mercy to be given to the world, is a revelation of His character of love.
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Re: We Have All Been Saved
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05/06/06 01:50 AM
05/06/06 01:50 AM
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Daryl, I think it says a lot that although we were discussing humans you could only find an angel to demonstrate your point. Obviously, you do not know of any such human.
That aside, you need to carefully analyse Lucifer's rebellion. You will find that his rebellion was not as deliberate as you think. It was not a rejection of God's love but an acceptance of the godlikeness he experienced when Michael confronted him.
Darius,
You will need to explain your last post further as what you posted doesn't make any sense to me. 
Especially this part: "It was not a rejection of God's love but an acceptance of the godlikeness he experienced when Michael confronted him."
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Re: We Have All Been Saved
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05/06/06 03:03 AM
05/06/06 03:03 AM
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Daryl, I asked you some time ago if my explanation made sense to you, but I don't believe you answered. For your convenience, I'll repost my explanation in the next paragraph.
"Saved" in the corporate sense means "saved from harm or danger". "Saved" in the Greek means "healed," and is how the term is applied to individuals. "Saved" according to general religious use means going to heaven, and would again apply to individuals.
Those who wait for the Bridegroom's coming are to say to the people, "Behold your God." The last rays of merciful light, the last message of mercy to be given to the world, is a revelation of His character of love.
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Re: We Have All Been Saved
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05/06/06 10:09 PM
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Tom, Your statement seems to make sense to me. The execution of the Plan of Salvation saved Adam & Eve from instant death as well as everybody from then to now and up to the Second Coming when all those who rejected His Plan of Salvation will be slain, with all those who accepted His Plan of Salvation will be saved eternally through resurrection and translation. ======= Darius, Godlikeness when confronted by Michael? Quote:
Rev 12:7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and His angels going forth to war with the dragon; and the dragon warred and his angels;
Rev 12:8 And they prevailed not, neither was their place found any more in heaven.
Rev 12:9 And the great dragon was cast down, the old serpent, he that is called the Devil and Satan, the deceiver of the whole world; he was cast down to the earth, and his angels were cast down with him.
Where do you see godlikeness in that? Michael and His angels went forth to war with the devil and the other fallen angels. The devil and those other angels were kicked out of heaven. Again, where do you see godlikeness, and even love on the devil's part, in that?
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Re: We Have All Been Saved
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05/07/06 03:20 AM
05/07/06 03:20 AM
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Thanks, Daryl. The way the Spirit of Prophecy puts is, "To the death of Christ, we owe even this earthly life." We are his both by creation and redmption.
Those who wait for the Bridegroom's coming are to say to the people, "Behold your God." The last rays of merciful light, the last message of mercy to be given to the world, is a revelation of His character of love.
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Re: We Have All Been Saved
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05/07/06 01:37 PM
05/07/06 01:37 PM
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Daryl, only one who believes he is equal to or superior to the God would engage in warfare against the God.
Darius A. Lecointe, J.D., Ph.D.
No weapon formed against me shall prosper.
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Re: We Have All Been Saved
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05/07/06 09:50 PM
05/07/06 09:50 PM
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A person who believes he is equal to or superior to the God isn't a godlikeness type person, be it human or angel. Anyway, this is going 
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