I have what Justification is as according to the Scripture:

For all have sinned and come short of the glory of God; being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus.

Humanity were justified freely by the grace of God through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus.

This is the Initial Justification, a justification that resulted in the resurrection of the death.

Is this justification only for Christ believers? NO! It is for all men, for humanity, for Adam till the last born at the day Christ 2nd coming..

Why it is not the same with my previous post and all of your views here?

In His love

James S

James, I'm having a bit of trouble understanding what you're saying.

I would put it like this. Jusification is the same thing as reconciliation This reconciliation will be evidenced by our actions.

Here's another way of saying it. If we are in harmony with God, then how we think, speak, act and feel will reflect that fact.

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Justification according to what I read in Romans 3:23,24 is God justify all men through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus.

I think this is a statement that says God has reconciled himself to men through Christ by justifying them in Christ. A universal justification for humanity not only Christ believers, which is the Initial justification that results in a resurrection from the death.

Romans 5:18.
Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.
Romans 5:19.
For as by one man’s disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.
1 Corinthians 15:21 – For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
1 Corinthians 15:22
For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
Ephesians 1:7.
In whom we have redemptionthrough his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace.

Meanwhile, the view from some one that I posted here said that the Initial justification is “both forgiveness for sin and reclaiming from sin, it is not a single but a double work, to solve out those twofold nature of our need.

Firstly the Lord credits the righteousness of Christ to the sinner’s account so that he stands before God as if and as though he had never sinned at all. This solve the 1st problem, then God’s forgiveness as the outflow of redeeming love sweeps through his soul and cleanses out of him the old thorn bush nature and implants the new nature in its place. This take care of the 2nd problem and now the man is justified.”

And even said in different ways, but all of you including you Ton has said the same idea with one important point, that the Initial justification is applied to Christ believers only.

I disagree with this view, the Initial justification is universal, for all men, it has nothing to do with the present condition of men and its follow ups.

In His love

James S

It sounds like what you are calling "initial" is what has been more commonly referred to as "corporate," while what you are calling the second one would be "justification by faith."

We're discussing this on a couple of the other threads. You might wish to take a look. There's the 1888 one, just started by Daryl, and one on is everyone saved, started by Darius.

Then what you call this:

Romans 3:20-22, 28.
20. Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight; for by the law is the knowledge of sin.
21. But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;
22. Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe;
28. Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.

I believe this is the 2nd and final justification; men are justified by faith WITHOUT the deeds of the law.

This justification must cover all people who lived by faith in Christ, including those who were not Sabbath keeper and ate unclean meats.

If justification is subject to the deeds of the law, then it is only for SDA’s, which I think is not a correct teaching.

In His love

James S

Thus, an Initial Justification happened at the cross and Christ resurrection, and a Final Justification happened at the Day of Judgment, where all who believed in Christ would be justified WITHOUT the deeds of the law.

The 1st is a corporate justification, all men (humanity) were justified to life, and the 2nd is an individual justification, where a man is justified to enter heaven.

Both justifications are God’s grace through Jesus Christ, the 1st is universal; the 2nd is personal through faith in Christ. Both is based on Christ’ righteousness alone, not on our own or on our own + the Spirit. The 1st is based on Christ imputed righteousness the 2nd is on Christ imparted righteousness.

If judgment is subject to the deeds of the law, only sincere loving SDA’s is justified.

In His love

James S

I agree Tom that the Law is the standard of judgment but justification is by faith and not subject to the deeds of the law. Why? Because if subject to the deeds of the law no man might ever be justified by the law. Why? Because once sinning is enough to come under condemnation of the law. No matter God pardons your sins, the law still sees you as a sinner. Suppose Christ sins, would the law justify him righteous even God forgives his sins? Would he still be our sin Redeemer?

Therefore, justification is by faith without the deeds of the law but judgment it self is subject to the law of God. By this God might save us by his grace and not by works or faith + works.

That what I think.

In His love

James S.

I think only SDA's doctrines that follow the bible as according what God wants from his children. So, if justification is subject to the deeds of the law, maybe only sincere loving SDA's that might be justified even I doubt it because till now I still could not accept the view that we could live sinlessly and justified by the law at the end.

In His love

James S