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Is the Law of God just a set of rules? #76615
07/01/06 04:09 AM
07/01/06 04:09 AM
Tom  Offline OP
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In another thread it was suggested that the law of God is just a set of rules.

I thought this would be interesting to discuss.


Those who wait for the Bridegroom's coming are to say to the people, "Behold your God." The last rays of merciful light, the last message of mercy to be given to the world, is a revelation of His character of love.
Re: Is the Law of God just a set of rules? #76616
07/01/06 03:52 PM
07/01/06 03:52 PM
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"The law of God has been given to us, that we may have rules to govern our conduct." {CE 112.2}

"The law of God is simple, and easily understood. ... There is no mystery in the law of God. All can comprehend the great truths which it embodies. The feeblest intellect can grasp these rules; the most ignorant can regulate the life, and form the character after the divine standard." {NL 31.2}

"God's law is the transcript of His character, and those only who obey this law will be accepted by Him. Every departure from obedience to the law of God is rebellion. It is for the highest interest of man to obey the law of God, for conformity to the principles of this law is essential to the formation of a righteous character. The rules of life that the Lord has given will make men pure and happy and holy. Those only who obey these rules can hear from the lips of Christ the words, 'Come up higher.'" {HP 361.5}

"He [the seeker of truth] must have the assurance of the word of God as to whether he is a rebel to His law, or loyal to His rules of government." {ST, July 6, 1888 par. 11}

"God has a law, and men must keep it. If they disregard these rules, they will not have that perfection of character that will give them an entrance into the mansions above." {YI, August 18, 1886 par. 3}

"Why cannot those who claim to understand the Scriptures, see that God's requirement under grace is just the same he made in Eden,--perfect obedience to his law. In the Judgment, God will ask those who profess to be Christians, Why did you claim to believe in my Son, and continue to transgress my law? Who required this at your hands--to trample upon my rules of righteousness?" {RH, September 21, 1886 par. 16}

Re: Is the Law of God just a set of rules? #76617
07/01/06 06:55 PM
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Good quotes Rosangela.

On a personal side the law for me means freedom. If I live by the rules God has laid out I will be happier and healthier. I'll have a closer relationship with the Creator and my fellow man. His rules are logical and just.

Redfog


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Re: Is the Law of God just a set of rules? #76618
07/02/06 01:15 AM
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Tom  Offline OP
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Is the law just a set of rules?


Those who wait for the Bridegroom's coming are to say to the people, "Behold your God." The last rays of merciful light, the last message of mercy to be given to the world, is a revelation of His character of love.
Re: Is the Law of God just a set of rules? #76619
07/02/06 01:52 AM
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It is the directions from the manufacturer about the product that He made.

Re: Is the Law of God just a set of rules? #76620
07/02/06 04:38 AM
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Tom  Offline OP
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In case this point of my question is not being understood, the salient word is "just." (i.e. "only," "merely," "nothing more than)


Those who wait for the Bridegroom's coming are to say to the people, "Behold your God." The last rays of merciful light, the last message of mercy to be given to the world, is a revelation of His character of love.
Re: Is the Law of God just a set of rules? #76621
07/02/06 10:24 AM
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If you are making a point of the word "just", at least provide the context in which it was written:

"If there is a distinction between principles and rules, it is that rules are just the expression of principles in a way that can be better understood by creatures. So, we say that love is a principle and the ten commandments are rules. But, of course, the ten commandments are love. By saying that rules are arbitrary you are saying that the law of God is arbitrary, for the law of God is just a set of rules."

Re: Is the Law of God just a set of rules? #76622
07/02/06 03:45 PM
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The law of God was expanded when Jesus created the human race. It takes into account those things that are unique to our condition and circumstances.

Adam and Eve Knew the Law.--Adam and Eve, at their creation, had a knowledge of the law of God. It was printed on their hearts, and they understood its claims upon them (MS 99, 1902). {1BC 1104.1}

The law of God existed before man was created. It was adapted to the condition of holy beings; even angels were governed by it. After the fall, the principles of righteousness were unchanged. Nothing was taken from the law; not one of its holy precepts could be improved. And as it has existed from the beginning, so will it continue to exist throughout the ceaseless ages of eternity. "Concerning thy testimonies," says the psalmist, "I have known of old that thou hast founded them forever (ST April 15, 1886). {1BC 1104.2}

Law Suited to Holy Order of Beings.--The Sabbath of the fourth commandment was instituted in Eden. After God had made the world, and created man upon the earth, He made the Sabbath for man. After Adam's sin and fall nothing was taken from the law of God. The principles of the ten commandments existed before the fall, and where of a character suited to the condition of a holy order of beings. After the fall, the principles of those precepts were not changed, but additional precepts were given to meet man in his fallen state (3SG 295). {1BC 1104.3}

Worded to Meet Fallen Intelligences.--The law of Jehovah dating back to creation, was comprised in the two great principles, "Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength. This is the first commandment. And the second is like, namely this: Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these." These two great principles embrace the first four commandments, showing the duty of man to God, and the last six, showing the duty of man to his fellowman. The principles were more explicitly stated to man after the fall, and worded to meet the case of fallen intelligences. This was necessary in consequence of the minds of men being blinded by transgression (ST April 15, 1875). {1BC 1104.4}

The law of God existed before the creation of man or else Adam could not have sinned. After the transgression of Adam the principles of the law were not changed, but were definitely arranged and expressed to meet man in his fallen condition. Christ, in counsel with His Father, instituted the system of sacrificial offerings; that death, instead of being immediately visited upon the transgressor, should be transferred to a victim which should prefigure the great and perfect offering of the son of God (Ibid., March 14, 1878). {1BC 1104.5}

Precepts Given to Guard Decalogue.--In consequence of continual transgression, the moral law was repeated in awful grandeur from Sinai. Christ gave to Moses religious precepts which were to govern everyday life. These statutes were explicitly given to guard the ten commandments. They were not shadowy types to pass away with the death of Christ. They were to be binding upon men in every age as long as time should last. These commands were enforced by the power of the moral law, and they clearly and definitely explained that law (Ibid., April 15, 1875). {1BC 1104.6}

(Isa. 58:13, 14). Every Specification Is God's Character.--The God of heaven has placed a benediction upon them that keep the commandments of God. Shall we stand as a peculiar people of God, or shall we trample upon the law of God and say it is not binding? God might just as well have abolished Himself. In the law every specification is the character of the infinite God (MS 12, 1894). {1BC 1104.7}

Law Denounces Slightest Sin.--God has given His law for the regulation of the conduct of nations, of families, and of individuals. There is not one worker of wickedness, though his act be the lightest and the most secret, that escapes the denunciation of that law (MS 58, 1897). {1BC 1104.8}

Holiness Made Known.--Our duty to obey this law is to be the burden of this last message of mercy to the world. God's law is not a new thing. It is not holiness created, but holiness made known. It is a code of principles expressing mercy, goodness, and love. It presents to fallen humanity the character of God, and states plainly the whole duty of man (MS 88, 1897). {1BC 1104.9}

(John 14:15). Ten Commandments--Ten Promises.--The ten commandments, Thou shalt, and Thou shalt not, are ten promises, assured to us if we render obedience to the law governing the universe. "If ye love me, keep my commandments." Here is the sum and substance of the law of God. The terms of salvation for every son and daughter of Adam are here outlined (MS 41, 1896). {1BC 1105.1}

The ten holy precepts spoken by Christ upon Sinai's mount were the revelation of the character of God, and made known to the world the fact that He had jurisdiction over the whole human heritage. That law of ten precepts of the greatest love that can be presented to man is the voice of God from heaven speaking to the soul in promise, "This do, and you will not come under the dominion and control of Satan." There is not a negative in that law, although it may appear thus. It is DO, and Live (Letter 89, 1898). {1BC 1105.2}

Re: Is the Law of God just a set of rules? #76623
07/02/06 04:34 PM
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Quote:

If you are making a point of the word "just", at least provide the context in which it was written:

"If there is a distinction between principles and rules, it is that rules are just the expression of principles in a way that can be better understood by creatures. So, we say that love is a principle and the ten commandments are rules. But, of course, the ten commandments are love. By saying that rules are arbitrary you are saying that the law of God is arbitrary, for the law of God is just a set of rules."




I do not know the original context of this, but the question that perhaps is in the works is:

Can one by keeping the “rules” bring love into existence?

So while the rules are in harmony with love; keeping the rules does not produce love.

The other thought is the ‘arbitrary’ concept, which by its nature is not ‘Love’.

Re: Is the Law of God just a set of rules? #76624
07/02/06 09:57 PM
07/02/06 09:57 PM
Tom  Offline OP
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Rosangela, you apparently felt a need to provide a context. I didn't see the need. It wasn't my intent to quote you out of context, but I didn't see, and don't see, the need of providing the context.

But of course you should know better than I, since you are the author, and I defer to that.

So my question is, do you mean that your statement "the law is just a set of rules" should be taken in some other way than a straight forward meaning of this phrase would indicate? What about the context would change the way this phrase should be taken?

I'm not trying to make you an offender for a word. I'm interested in what you mean in saying the law is just a set of rules.

John is getting at exactly the issues I had in mind.


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