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Re: Lesson Study #2 - Judgment Must BEGIN
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07/02/06 03:50 PM
07/02/06 03:50 PM
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I found the introductory to this week's study to be interesting in light of some other topics within MSDAOL.
Here it is quoted below:
"Oraffiti written on a wall by an Italian atheist reads: "There is no God—and Mary is His mother!" However funny, the point is important: As human beings, we are subjective creatures. However much we might try to be objective-to look at things honestly, fairly, logically, without preconceived notions—we inevitably bring our own ideas, culture, moods, and experiences into whatever subject we approach. Even the idea of not having a preconceived notion about something is, indeed, to have a preconceived notion about something.
This week, while realizing our inherent limitations, we're going to be as objective as we can as we look at what the Bible says about judgment. Let's forget for the moment about 1844, the pre-Advent judgment, Ellen White, Hiram Edson in the cornfield, etc. Instead, let's just let the Bible speak for itself on this important topic. And, as it does, let's see what answers it gives to the following questions: How are judgment and the gospel linked? What are the final results of judgment? Are Christians judged? What role do works play in judgment? When is the judgment?
Though none of the answers to these questions contains all that we need to know on the subject, woven together they form a nice tapestry that will enable us to grasp better the concept of judgment, regardless of whatever preconceptions we already have about it."
Well, what does the Bible say about judgment?
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Re: Lesson Study #2 - Judgment Must BEGIN
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07/03/06 03:34 PM
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1. "Let's forget for the moment about 1844, the pre-Advent judgment, Ellen White, Hiram Edson in the cornfield, etc. Instead, let's just let the Bible speak for itself on this important topic."
What? Are we supposed to assume that there are contradictions between them and the Bible?
2. "How are judgment and the gospel linked?"
The day of atonement (judgment) was, will be, the climax of the gospel.
3. "What are the final results of judgment?"
Paradise restored.
4. "Are Christians judged?"
Yes, of course. That's the best part of the gospel. Once Christians are closely examined it will be evident and obvious to everyone, including evil angels, that God is love, that His kingdom and character is holy, just, and good.
5. "What role do works play in judgment?"
They are the evidence that Jesus is the truth, that His ways are best, that all over ways are darkness.
6. "When is the judgment?"
It began in 1844 for the dead, and will include the living during the mark of the beast (sunday laws) crisis. In another sense judgment is a daily ongoing process. But "the" judgment, as it pertains to prophecy, began in 1844 and will end when probation closes.
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Re: Lesson Study #2 - Judgment Must BEGIN
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07/03/06 10:10 PM
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These are good questions. My answers follow.
1. "Let's forget for the moment about 1844, the pre-Advent judgment, Ellen White, Hiram Edson in the cornfield, etc. Instead, let's just let the Bible speak for itself on this important topic."
Skipped.
2. "How are judgment and the gospel linked?"
The judgment is primarily about God. Satan has accused God of being arbitrary, unfair, and selfish. He has suggested that His created beings do not need the law, that they would be better off disregarding it.
The Gospel is the Good News about God, that He is just like Jesus Christ. The judgment will show that this is true! God is not arbitrary, unfair, or selfish. The judgment will also show, in the history of those examined, what happens when God's law is disregarded. God gave His law as a hedge to protect us, and disgregarding it leads to suffering, misery, pain, and death.
Yet another thing the judgment will show is that at every moment in history God has been working single-mindedly to eliminate the sin problem as quickly as possible.
3. "What are the final results of judgment?"
God's character will have been revealed to be just as He has claimed it to be. God will be seen to have always been just like He revealed Himself to be in Jesus Christ.
4. "Are Christians judged?"
Christians are a part of the judgment. They show how God's grace works in those who respond to it. They are an important part in God's judgment because they show to good effect God's qualities of grace and mercy.
5. "What role do works play in judgment?"
The works reveal the character. The Christ-like characters the righteous development demonstrate that God's way of dealing with the sin problem is effective.
One would also imagine that other beings would be interested in seeing the characters of those who, having lived in a world of sin, will spend eternity with them. They will be interested in seeing evidence that these dudes can be trusted.
6. "When is the judgment?"
There are three "big" judgments. The investigative judgment demonstrates things ("things" being how God has worked throughout history) for the unfallen angels and unfallen worlds. The executive judgment shows the same things for the righteous. The final judgment shows the same things for Satan and those who have united themselves with his cause.
Those who wait for the Bridegroom's coming are to say to the people, "Behold your God." The last rays of merciful light, the last message of mercy to be given to the world, is a revelation of His character of love.
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Re: Lesson Study #2 - Judgment Must BEGIN
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07/04/06 12:53 AM
07/04/06 12:53 AM
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I looked up the words "the only begotten of the Father" from John 1:14 as well as "the only begotten Son of God" from John 3:18.
What are these words saying?
What do these words mean?
Could these words be referring to the only person born of a woman, whose human nature never came by the ordinary way of generation; it being a mere creation in the womb of the virgin, by the energy of the Holy Ghost?
Wouldn't this fit with the Word, and the Word being God in John 1:1 that became flesh in John 1:14 in which the words "the only begotten Son of God are explained?
John 1:1 took place "in the beginning". John 1:14 took place later probably about 4 B.C.
Could it not be possible for God the Father to begat a divine Son (as opposed to a human son) in his express image and who is exactly like him in every way?
John 1:1-2 is interesting, for in the Interlinear Bible which is a literal translation of the Received Text there is a word missing from the Greek to the English translation.
They left out the word "the" before the first and third use of the word "God" also the Greek word for the first and the third words for "God" are not the same as the second word "God".
Is it possible for God to have a Son? Yes. Read Prov. chapter 8 and you will find that Christ was brought forth from the Father before there were any foundations and that He the Son of God was His Fathers daily delight.
Go into the epistles and you will find that Christ inherited a name above all others.
Go into the Book of Revelation chapter 5 and you will find that the Son of God was also given, Honor, power and Glory etc. after He had taken the Book out of the Fathers Right Hand.
Read 1 Cor 8:6 and you will see that Paul taught that there is only one God, the Father and one Lord Jesus Christ.
Read Matthew 16 and you will find that the Father told Peter that Christ was "The Son of the Living God".
Read John 14 and you will find that Christ plainly states that God the Father dwelt in Him and that He, Christ did not do the miracles and speak the words but the Father that dwelt in Him did these things.
John 17 also points to the fact that Christ is the Son of God and not God.
The Second Commandment also tells us that we are to have no other Gods before the Almighty God.
Isaiah 45:5, 22 States that God looks around and see no other gods before Him.
1 John 5:1-6 also teaches us that if we believe that Christ is THE "Son of God" we can over come the world. Notice it does not state "God the Son"
1 John 5:7 cannot be used because it is a supplied text. However, it is easy to see that God and His Son and the Holy Spirit are all one when it comes to the plan of Salvation.
Read SOP Volume 1 chapter 1 "The Great Controversy" The fall of Satan. I am not talking about that set called conflict of the ages series! You need to read the SOP (little black books) and Sister White plainly shows that Christ is subordinate to God.
Peace and Grace
David
I will ask a question that I have asked just prior to this post (on a different thread), Is it possible for the founders of the SDA church to be members of the SDA church today? What do the official writings of the church claim?
The greatest want of the world is the want of men-- men who will not be bought or sold, men who in their inmost souls are true and honest, men who do not fear to call sin by its right name, men whose conscience is as true to duty as the needle to the pole, men who will stand for the right though the heavens fall.
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