HOME CHAT ROOM #1 CHAT ROOM #2 Forum Topics Within The Last 7 Days REGISTER ENTER FORUMS BIBLE SCHOOL CONTACT US

Maritime 2nd Advent Believers OnLine Christian Family Fellowship Forums
(formerly Maritime SDA OnLine)
Consisting mainly of both members and friends of the Seventh-day Adventist Church
Welcomes and invites other members and friends of the Seventh-day Adventist Church to join us!

Click Here To Read Legal Notice & Disclaimer
Suggested a One Time Yearly $20 or Higher Donation Accepted Here to Help Cover the Yearly Expenses of Operating & Upgrading. We need at least $20 X 10 yearly donations.
Donations accepted: Here
ShoutChat Box
Newest Members
Andrew, Trainor, ekoorb1030, jibb555, MBloomfield
1325 Registered Users
Forum Statistics
Forums118
Topics9,228
Posts196,146
Members1,325
Most Online5,850
Feb 29th, 2020
Seventh-day Adventist Church In Canada Links
Seventh-day Adventist Church in Canada

Newfoundland & Labrador Mission

Maritime Conference

Quebec Conference

Ontario Conference

Manitoba-Saskatchewan Conference

Alberta Conference

British Columbia Conference

7 Top Posters(30 Days)
asygo 15
Rick H 11
kland 9
November
S M T W T F S
1 2
3 4 5 6 7 8 9
10 11 12 13 14 15 16
17 18 19 20 21 22 23
24 25 26 27 28 29 30
Member Spotlight
ProdigalOne
ProdigalOne
Alberta, Canada
Posts: 1,202
Joined: June 2015
Show All Member Profiles 
Today's Birthdays
No Birthdays
Live Space Station Tracking
Here is a link to show exactly where the Space Station is over earth right now: Click Here
Last 7 Pictures From Photo Gallery Forums
He hath set an harvest for thee
Rivers Of Living Water
He Leads Us To Green Pastures
Remember What God Has Done
Remember The Sabbath
"...whiter than snow..."
A Beautiful Spring Day
Who's Online
5 registered members (dedication, ProdigalOne, Karen Y, 2 invisible), 1,885 guests, and 18 spiders.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
Previous Thread
Next Thread
Print Thread
Rate Thread
Page 21 of 35 1 2 19 20 21 22 23 34 35
Re: Are we transgressing the 1st commandment or not? #77483
08/29/06 03:35 AM
08/29/06 03:35 AM
Tom  Offline
Active Member 2012
14500+ Member
Joined: Aug 2004
Posts: 14,795
Lawrence, Kansas
John, I don't think you're being consistent in the views you have expressed. Previously you have asserted that Christ is the Son, not because of His incarnation, but because of His relationship to the Father which He had before. If this is the case, then His becoming incarnate would not make Him God's Son any more than the Father's becoming incarnate would make the Father Christ's Son.


Those who wait for the Bridegroom's coming are to say to the people, "Behold your God." The last rays of merciful light, the last message of mercy to be given to the world, is a revelation of His character of love.
Re: Are we transgressing the 1st commandment or not? #77484
08/29/06 03:38 AM
08/29/06 03:38 AM
Tom  Offline
Active Member 2012
14500+ Member
Joined: Aug 2004
Posts: 14,795
Lawrence, Kansas
John, that wasn't the quote I cited. But I am interested in James reaction to the quote I did cite. I already know yours (you already answered it).


Those who wait for the Bridegroom's coming are to say to the people, "Behold your God." The last rays of merciful light, the last message of mercy to be given to the world, is a revelation of His character of love.
Re: Are we transgressing the 1st commandment or not? #77485
08/29/06 03:41 AM
08/29/06 03:41 AM
Tom  Offline
Active Member 2012
14500+ Member
Joined: Aug 2004
Posts: 14,795
Lawrence, Kansas
Still awaiting the answer to the question of to whom, or what, God owes His existence. You have whetted my apetite!


Those who wait for the Bridegroom's coming are to say to the people, "Behold your God." The last rays of merciful light, the last message of mercy to be given to the world, is a revelation of His character of love.
Re: Are we transgressing the 1st commandment or not? #77486
08/29/06 11:17 AM
08/29/06 11:17 AM
J
John Boskovic  Offline
Dedicated Member
Joined: Aug 2002
Posts: 1,196
Ontario
Quote:

John, I don't think you're being consistent in the views you have expressed. Previously you have asserted that Christ is the Son, not because of His incarnation, but because of His relationship to the Father which He had before. If this is the case, then His becoming incarnate would not make Him God's Son any more than the Father's becoming incarnate would make the Father Christ's Son.




I do not know what I might have said, that questions the consistency.

I have said that Christ is the Son, not because of His incarnation, but because of His being born of the Father’s spirit before all creation.

So I agree with: If this is the case, then His becoming incarnate would not make Him God's Son any more than the Father's becoming incarnate would make the Father Christ's Son. Therefore the point I made in commenting on your statement that the Father could have ‘emptied’ (a concept tied to incarnation) himself and come as the son (or to speak as the son). I said: he could not say that he was the Son, because it would not be true.

Besides that, James’ comments have merit.

Re: Are we transgressing the 1st commandment or not? #77487
08/29/06 01:10 PM
08/29/06 01:10 PM
Rosangela  Offline
5500+ Member
Joined: Nov 2004
Posts: 6,154
Brazil
Quote:

For God to come in person must be the Son of God covered by humanity, for by his coming, the Father would take care of the universe, since he is the Source of life and could never become a channel of the Source (1 Corinthian 8:6).



James,

The Godhead is the source of life.

The Son is also presented as the Source of life:

John 1:4 In him was life
John 11:25 Jesus said to her, "I am the resurrection and the life; he who believes in me, though he die, yet shall he live"
John 14:6 Jesus said to him, "I am the way, and the truth, and the life"

And the same is true of the Holy Spirit:

Ps 104:30 You send forth Your Spirit, they are created; and You renew the face of the earth.
Job 33:4 The Spirit of God has made me, and the breath of the Almighty gives me life.

Re: Are we transgressing the 1st commandment or not? #77488
08/30/06 01:44 AM
08/30/06 01:44 AM
Tom  Offline
Active Member 2012
14500+ Member
Joined: Aug 2004
Posts: 14,795
Lawrence, Kansas
So God the Father could not empty Himself? Did I understand correctly? Only the Son could do this? Or am I misunderstanding your point? Is your point only that the Father could not have said He was the Son? That the personal pronouns would have changed?


Those who wait for the Bridegroom's coming are to say to the people, "Behold your God." The last rays of merciful light, the last message of mercy to be given to the world, is a revelation of His character of love.
Re: Are we transgressing the 1st commandment or not? #77489
08/30/06 03:08 AM
08/30/06 03:08 AM
the1888message  Offline
Full Member
Joined: Mar 2006
Posts: 149
USA
Quote “The Godhead is the source of life.

The Son is also presented as the Source of life:” end quote


Col 2:9 “For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.”
John 14:10 “Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.”

The Father dwelt in Christ, thus in Christ dwelt the fullness of the Godhead.

Romans 1:20
“For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:”

Here in Romans, Paul is speaking of God, the Father and Paul calls the eternal power and the “Godhead” His. Meaning that the Godhead belongs to the Father.

1 Cor 8:6 “But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him”

To me this is saying that everything is by God the Father and we are in him (speaking of those who accept His son, etc.). Moreover, everything that is “created” or has “life” by the Son of God and we are “made” or we have “life” by the Son, however it was the Fathers power that the Son “used” or “was given”.


I am not sure how the “Godhead” is the source of “life”? Could you define that for me a little? With scripture please.

Peace and Grace
David


The greatest want of the world is the want of men-- men who will not be bought or sold, men who in their inmost souls are true and honest, men who do not fear to call sin by its right name, men whose conscience is as true to duty as the needle to the pole, men who will stand for the right though the heavens fall.
Re: Are we transgressing the 1st commandment or not? #77490
08/30/06 10:22 AM
08/30/06 10:22 AM
J
John Boskovic  Offline
Dedicated Member
Joined: Aug 2002
Posts: 1,196
Ontario
Quote:

I don't think we're going to see eye to eye on this John. It's not just that I believe EGW was inspired, but I also believe her interpretation of Scripture is correct.

Don't know what else to say.



I understand. Something, anything can be held as a belief, right? The question is whether it can be held as knowledge with understanding.

Quote:

I still like you.



Thank you Tom, that is very meaningful; and it is mutual.

Quote:

Still awaiting the answer to the question of to whom, or what, God owes His existence. You have whetted my appetite!



Ok, good!!!

However, what I would like you to do for me before I go to that is: summarize for me what you understand that I have said so far and why I say it is important.

Also in contrast put what you hold it to be, and the reason why it is important.

Re: Are we transgressing the 1st commandment or not? #77491
08/30/06 10:34 AM
08/30/06 10:34 AM
J
John Boskovic  Offline
Dedicated Member
Joined: Aug 2002
Posts: 1,196
Ontario
I like your post, David.

Re: Are we transgressing the 1st commandment or not? #77492
08/30/06 11:20 AM
08/30/06 11:20 AM
Tom  Offline
Active Member 2012
14500+ Member
Joined: Aug 2004
Posts: 14,795
Lawrence, Kansas
You see the Christ is the Son, not as a role, but by virtue as being begotten. We know the Father through the Son. Knowing the Son has to do with faith being rightly aligned. You see that the Son did not always exist, because you don't think He could be a Son if He did.

Basically you see that's it's important that we know the Son as He is because that's the way that we know God as He is.


Those who wait for the Bridegroom's coming are to say to the people, "Behold your God." The last rays of merciful light, the last message of mercy to be given to the world, is a revelation of His character of love.
Page 21 of 35 1 2 19 20 21 22 23 34 35

Moderator  dedication, Rick H 

Sabbath School Lesson Study Material Link
Here is the link to this week's Sabbath School Lesson Study and Discussion Material: Click Here
Most Recent Posts From Selected Public Forums
Fourth quarter, 2024, The Gospel of John
by dedication. 11/12/24 04:14 PM
Global Warming Farce
by ProdigalOne. 11/11/24 08:58 AM
Seven Trumpets reconsidered
by Karen Y. 11/08/24 04:32 PM
Will Trump be able to lead..
by dedication. 11/08/24 02:00 PM
A god whom his fathers knew not..
by TruthinTypes. 11/05/24 12:19 AM
Understanding the Battle of Armageddon
by Rick H. 10/25/24 07:25 PM
Profiles Of Jesus In Zecharia
by dedication. 10/14/24 11:56 PM
Most Recent Posts From Selected Private Forums of MSDAOL
Has the Catholic Church Changed?
by ProdigalOne. 11/11/24 08:43 AM
Dr Ben Carson: Church and State
by ProdigalOne. 11/09/24 05:32 AM
Understanding the 1,260-year Prophecy
by dedication. 11/06/24 12:26 AM
Understanding the 1290 & 1335 of Daniel 12?
by dedication. 11/05/24 03:16 PM
Perils of the Emerging Church Movement
by dedication. 11/05/24 01:42 PM
Private Schools
by dedication. 11/04/24 01:39 PM
Dr Conrad Vine Banned
by Rick H. 10/25/24 07:01 PM
The 1260 Year Prophecy & The Roman Catholic Church
by dedication. 10/22/24 01:32 PM
Forum Announcements
Visitors by Country Since February 11, 2013
Flag Counter
Google Maritime SDA OnLine Public Forums Site Search & Google Translation Service
Google
 
Web www.maritime-sda-online.com

Copyright 2000-Present
Maritime 2nd Advent Believers OnLine (formerly Maritime SDA OnLine).

LEGAL NOTICE:
The views expressed in this forum are those of individuals
and do not necessarily represent those of Maritime 2nd Advent Believers OnLine,
as well as the Seventh-day Adventist Church
from the local church level to the General Conference level.

Maritime 2nd Advent Believers OnLine (formerly Maritime SDA OnLine) is also a self-supporting ministry
and is not part of, or affiliated with, or endorsed by
The General Conference of Seventh-day Adventists headquartered in Silver Spring, Maryland
or any of its subsidiaries.

"And He saith unto them, follow Me, and I will make you fishers of men." Matt. 4:19
MARITIME 2ND ADVENT BELIEVERS ONLINE (FORMERLY MARITIME SDA ONLINE) CONSISTING MAINLY OF BOTH MEMBERS & FRIENDS
OF THE SEVENTH-DAY ADVENTIST CHURCH,
INVITES OTHER MEMBERS & FRIENDS OF THE SEVENTH-DAY ADVENTIST CHURCH ANYWHERE IN THE WORLD WHO WISHES TO JOIN US!
Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.7.1