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Re: Are we transgressing the 1st commandment or not? #77593
09/21/06 08:23 PM
09/21/06 08:23 PM
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John,

The EGW quote you provided did not answer my question, therefore, I am asking it again.

What is your response to the "Only he who alone hath immortality" in that EGW quote of my previous post, which is obviously referring to Jesus Christ?


In His Love, Mercy & Grace,

Daryl smile

John 8:32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

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Re: Are we transgressing the 1st commandment or not? #77594
09/22/06 11:15 AM
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Daryl,
I did not put forth that quote that I should comment on it. Those that put it forth should say what they mean by it, and I may respond to what they say.

It appears that you understand that Christ alone has immortality.

If so, does that mean that the Father does not have immortality?

What does the word "alone" mean in 1Ti 6:16?

Re: Are we transgressing the 1st commandment or not? #77595
09/22/06 11:31 AM
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The Bible says that Christ alone has immortality. Does this mean that the Father doesn’t have immortality? Of course not. But it means that it was Christ who “brought life and immortality to light through the gospel” (2 Tim. 1:10), that is, He is the person from whom our immortality comes.




The Bible says that the Father alone has immortality. Does this mean that Christ doesn’t have immortality? Of course not; but it means that Christ obtains his immortality from the Father. It is by this very fact that he “brought life and immortality to light through the gospel” (2 Tim. 1:10), that is, He is the person through whom our immortality comes.

Re: Are we transgressing the 1st commandment or not? #77596
09/22/06 11:36 AM
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How does the Father dwell in the Son?
How does the Son dwell in the Father?

Re: Are we transgressing the 1st commandment or not? #77597
09/22/06 01:40 PM
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Quote.
The Bible says that the Father alone has immortality. Does this mean that Christ doesn’t have immortality? Of course not; but it means that Christ obtains his immortality from the Father. It is by this very fact that he “brought life and immortality to light through the gospel” (2 Tim. 1:10), that is, He is the person through whom our immortality comes.
Unquote.

This is correct, I agree with this.

Quote.
The Bible says that Christ alone has immortality. Does this mean that the Father doesn’t have immortality? Of course not. But it means that it was Christ who “brought life and immortality to light through the gospel” (2 Tim. 1:10), that is, He is the person from whom our immortality comes.
Unquote.

This is wrong, I disagree with this.

In His love

James S

Re: Are we transgressing the 1st commandment or not? #77598
09/22/06 01:57 PM
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Has the fact that Jesus is Jehovah been discussed on this thread? There are many examples of this. For example:

The voice of one crying in the wilderness: 'Prepare the way of the LORD; make straight in the desert A highway for our God. Every valley shall be exalted and every mountain and hill brought low; the crooked places shall be made straight and the rough places smooth; the glory of the LORD shall be revealed, and all flesh shall see it together; for the mouth of the LORD has spoken...O Zion, you who bring good tidings, get up into the high mountain; O Jerusalem, you who bring good tidings, lift up your voice with strength, lift it up, be not afraid; say to the cities of Judah, 'Behold your God!' Behold, the Lord GOD shall come with a strong hand, and His arm shall rule for Him; behold, His reward is with Him, and His work before Him. He will feed His flock like a shepherd; He will gather the lambs with His arm, and carry them in His bosom, and gently lead those who are with young. (Isaiah 40:3-11).


This is speaking of Christ, yet "Jehovah" is used ("LORD"). There are many examples like this.

Also I too didn't understand the response to the EGW quote. It's very clear that she is saying that Christ is He who alone has immortality. She says that only He who alone has immortality could say "I lay my life down, and I take it back up." Who said, "I lay my life down?" It was Christ. So it must be Christ who was referred to in the first part of the sentence.

The DA quote is referring to Christ's mission to reveal the Father. As she points out, had the Father come, the history of His life would have been no different than what we saw in Christ. The nature of God is to give. He is self-sacrificing love. This is exactly what we saw in Christ, and exactly what we would have seen had the Father come instead of Christ. This is the meaning of the quote. It is no way is bringing out a principle which is different than the He who alone has immortality quote.


Those who wait for the Bridegroom's coming are to say to the people, "Behold your God." The last rays of merciful light, the last message of mercy to be given to the world, is a revelation of His character of love.
Re: Are we transgressing the 1st commandment or not? #77599
09/22/06 03:27 PM
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Those in opposition to the triune nature of the Godhead often confuse Christ in His humanity from Christ in his divinity.

The Father is Jehovah God.
The Son is Jehovah God.
The Holy Spirit is Jehovah God.

As it seems that most posting here have their minds already made up and have become so close-minded that no amount of Bible and SOP quotes will change any of that, I am thinking of either bringing this topic to a close, or moving it into a different forum, for continued discussion there.


In His Love, Mercy & Grace,

Daryl smile

John 8:32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

http://www.christians-discuss.com/forum/index.php
Re: Are we transgressing the 1st commandment or not? #77600
09/22/06 05:39 PM
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Quote:

The nature of God is to give. He is self-sacrificing love. This is exactly what we saw in Christ, and exactly what we would have seen had the Father come instead of Christ. This is the meaning of the quote.




Fully agreed Tom, but there seems to be an abstractness as to why that is the case.

What does Christ mean when he says: The Father dwells in me.

    Joh 14:10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.

Re: Are we transgressing the 1st commandment or not? #77601
09/22/06 06:16 PM
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Again, John, you confuse the humanity of Christ and His ministry on this planet with His divinity.


In His Love, Mercy & Grace,

Daryl smile

John 8:32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

http://www.christians-discuss.com/forum/index.php
Re: Are we transgressing the 1st commandment or not? #77602
09/23/06 12:31 AM
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Whether you think it confuses the humanity of Christ with his divinity or not; we should still be able to answer the question, as to what Christ meant by: the Father dwells in me.

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