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Re: The people of God
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09/24/06 09:50 PM
09/24/06 09:50 PM
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The SDA Church is made up of God's chosen people, but then God's chosen people also are in Babylon, otherwise, what would be the sense of calling them out of Babylon?
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Re: The people of God
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09/24/06 11:22 PM
09/24/06 11:22 PM
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Daryl, they do not become "chosen" until after they join the church. There is a difference between "my people" and His "chosen people". The SDA is the chosen people.
Revelation 18:4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.
Psalm 33:12 Blessed [is] the nation whose God [is] the LORD; [and] the people [whom] he hath chosen for his own inheritance.
Deuteronomy 14:2 For thou [art] an holy people unto the LORD thy God, and the LORD hath chosen thee to be a peculiar people unto himself, above all the nations that [are] upon the earth.
Titus 2:14 Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.
1 Peter 2:9 But ye [are] a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should show forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light: 2:10 Which in time past [were] not a people, but [are] now the people of God: which had not obtained mercy, but now have obtained mercy.
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Re: The people of God
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09/25/06 12:28 AM
09/25/06 12:28 AM
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We're confusing terms here, it looks to me. The SDA church is God's denominated people. There's a visible church and an invisible church. The invisible church is constituted by those who are converted, those who know God. These are they who spend eternity with God in heaven and the new earth.
The visible body was originally Israel, and then became the church. Just as in the time of Israel, not all they that were of Israel were of Israel, so now not all that are in the denominated body are really His, and conversely the major part of God's true followers, His chosen people, are not to be found among the denominated body.
I'm not aware of any Scripture which refers to the SDA church as God's chosen people. I think it's true that the Laodecian message is primarily directed to the SDA church, as it best fits the description of lukewarm, and think it is rich and increased with goods, when its true condision is something else altogether. So there is a Scriptural basis for viewing the SDA church as "lukewarm"; I think a case could made for that.
It's ironic, however, that most SDA's deny this (that they are lukewarm).
Those who wait for the Bridegroom's coming are to say to the people, "Behold your God." The last rays of merciful light, the last message of mercy to be given to the world, is a revelation of His character of love.
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Re: The people of God
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09/25/06 12:59 AM
09/25/06 12:59 AM
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Quote. It's ironic, however, that most SDA's deny this (that they are lukewarm). Unquote.
I agree with you Tom, at least I admit that I am still lukewarm, till now.
But, anyway, I know that I do not want to finish it with lukewarm.
In His love
James S
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Re: The people of God
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09/25/06 01:03 AM
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Surely the people of God are those "sheeps" placed at Christ right hand at his second coming at the end of this world.
In His love
James S
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Re: The people of God
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09/25/06 01:05 AM
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Quote. The people of God are those who know Him. Unquote.
Not quite well! Some one may know God, but preffer to live for the flesh.
In His love
James S
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Re: The people of God
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09/25/06 01:09 AM
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Quote. Revelation 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints; here are those who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus. Unquote.
You got it! I like this, the saints of course are the people of God. The question is: How to become a saint?
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James S
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Re: The people of God
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09/25/06 02:10 AM
09/25/06 02:10 AM
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Quote. The people of God are those who know Him. Unquote.
Not quite well! Some one may know God, but preffer to live for the flesh.
Jesus said, "To know God is eternal life." (John 17:3). One cannot know God and live for the flesh.
Those who wait for the Bridegroom's coming are to say to the people, "Behold your God." The last rays of merciful light, the last message of mercy to be given to the world, is a revelation of His character of love.
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Re: The people of God
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09/25/06 02:13 AM
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I agree with you Tom, at least I admit that I am still lukewarm, till now.
If you come to the point that you think of yourself as being OK, that could be a problem. It's like the pharisee and the publican. The pharisee thought he was OK, and prided himself that he wasn't like the publican. The publican asked for mercy, and received it. It is those who think they can see who do not receive the eye salve.
Those who wait for the Bridegroom's coming are to say to the people, "Behold your God." The last rays of merciful light, the last message of mercy to be given to the world, is a revelation of His character of love.
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Re: The people of God
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09/25/06 05:30 AM
09/25/06 05:30 AM
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Quote:
Thomas, do you disagree with the idea that God makes a distinction between those who are chosen and those who are not? And, do you disagree with the idea that the SDA church is God's chosen people in these last days?
I agree that God will make a distinction between the chosen and not chosen as groups in the end. In the mean time rain and sunshine falls on both groups. Then the individual relationships between people and God also makes a difference, individually. I disagree that God will make any distinction whatever based on membership in any of our denominations, wether it be SDA or UP or RC.
Galatians 2 21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.
It is so hazardous to take here a little and there a little. If you put the right little's together you can make the bible teach anything you wish. //Graham Maxwell
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