According to the SOP, the message of righteousness by faith which Jones and Waggoner preached was the "third angel's message in verity." Most SDA's have little or no idea what that message is. Merely being an SDA does not mean one knows the third angel's message.

JS: Is it really necessary to become a member of the SDA church in order to be saved in the last day, meanwhile many of those who are in the church would not be chosen?

MM: James, the “shaking” will purify and purge the Remnant Church during the MOB crisis. As a result of this “shaking” all of the unconverted, time serving SDAs will leave the church and join Babylon. Also, all of the people in Babylon will, during the final crisis, leave their church and join the SDA church. Anyone who leaves the SDA church during the MOB crisis will be lost, and anyone who refuses to leave Babylon and join the SDA church during the final crisis will be lost.

Tom, the 3AMs, in addition to righteousness by faith, also includes 1) informing people that the pre-advent, investigative judgment began in 1844, 2) calling people out of Babylon, and 3) warning people not to receive the MOB.

Thomas, do you know of anyone in the Babylonian churches who is preaching this interpretation of the 3AMs? Or, do you even agree with it?

I think I have heard those points presented by non-sda preachers with the exceptions of the beginning date of 1844 and without the SDA exclusivist view of babylon and the sunday=MOB. But the preadvent judgement, calling out of babylon and warning of the MOB (whatever that implies).

Maybe you read my questions in the two last biblestudy threads concerning 1844? It seems that you might disagree with Colins replies. Give it a try.

Also, could you show from the bible that MOB=worship on sunday, exclusively? Ie that it refers to this choise of day and nothing more nor nothing less?

/Thomas

Thomas, no one is fulfilling the prophecy regarding the 3AMs if they are preaching it differently than outlined in the SOP. The proof that the MOB is the enforcement of Sunday laws during the final crisis is spelled out clearly in the SOP. Do you disagree with the intepretation outlined therein?

Mike

Of course only an SDA would preach that SDA is Gods solution for humanitys problems for the last age.

As for the MOB in SOP, its not that important what Ellen writes until we can establish what the bible teaches. Contrary to you, I still think the bible contains everything a human needs to read to be saved. I said it before and Ill repeat myself, if you cant make the case by the bible, it might be something but it wont be a salvation issue.

When I mentioned Jones and Waggoner, I had in mind the message of righteousness by faith which they taught. It was *that* message which the SOP called the light "which will lighten the earth with glory."

It is not just facts which will prepare the way for Christ to come, but a message of Christ and His righteousness. Knowing that the judgement began in 1844 won't save anyone. Knowing Jesus Christ will.

This isn't to say that the doctrines aren't important; they are. But they are important within a context. The context is the truth about God. The reason God brought up this movement was to teach the world the truth about Him. The purpose of the doctrines is that we might know Him more clearly, and share Him with others.

Mike,
Everything we believe is based on the Bible, this includes the MOB. If we are not able to prove our belief on the Holy Scriptures then there is a problem.



Thomas,
A couple of quick points as I have to get ready to leave, but in Revelation there is a decree or law that is enacted, or put in place to cause everyone to worship the image of the beast.
Consider the entire planet and all the differing religions, it sounds impossible actually, but these aren't regular events going on, Christ is going to be revealed, and the final stage for the Revelation of Jesus Christ is about to happen, so stuff going on against that happening to cause loss of life will be working.
Thats all I can type from memory. However it is Bible based, remember Protestant=Protesting+Papacy=Thinketh to Change times and laws+ Rock cut out without hands establish kingdom on earth, judgment in favor of saints, and given kingdom...ok off to the shower I go.
God Bless,
Will

Is sabbath the only "time" that has been changed and is the fourth commandment the only law that has been changed? If no, where does that leave this reasoning?

The second commandment (idols) was removed and the last one made into two. Those are a couple of other changes to the law that are brought up.