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Re: Lesson Study #7 - The Man Abram
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Interesting text, as it seems from this in conjunction with Acts 7:2-4 that Abram must have received two calls. Acts 7:2 And he said, Men, brethren, and fathers, hearken; The God of glory appeared unto our father Abraham, when he was in Mesopotamia, before he dwelt in Haran, 3 And said unto him, Get thee out of thy country, and from thy kindred, and come into the land which I shall show thee. 4 Then came he out of the land of the Chaldeans, and dwelt in Haran: and from thence, when his father was dead, he removed him into this land, wherein ye now dwell.
I had never realized this before about the two calls until västergötland brought it to our attention. In light of this, Abram (Abraham) responded to the first call in which his father went with him, and then responded to the second call to continue on to Caanan, after his father died.
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Re: Lesson Study #7 - The Man Abram
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Abram repeatedly told his wife to pose as his sister whenever they would enter a new territory. Where does this land on the faith scale? We are told that Sarah was not telling an untruth by stating she was a sister of Abraham. When I worked in West Africa I discovered that a young man in Western Nigeria would call any young lady in his village a sister. In former days a fellow female Adventists was always called a sister? Does it depend on circumstances if we are telling the truth or not?
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Re: Lesson Study #7 - The Man Abram
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Interesting text, as it seems from this in conjunction with Acts 7:2-4 that Abram must have received two calls.
- - - I had never realized this before about the two calls until västergötland brought it to our attention.
In light of this, Abram (Abraham) responded to the first call in which his father went with him, and then responded to the second call to continue on to Caanan, after his father died. How often does the Lord call us more than once? Should we depend on it that He will give us a second call?
"Here is a last piece of advice. If you believe in goodness and if you value the approval of God, fix your minds on the things which are holy and right and pure and beautiful and good. Model your conduct on what you have learned from me, on what I have told you and shown you, and you will find the God of peace will be with you."
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Re: Lesson Study #7 - The Man Abram
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My answer to that is that Abram had his lack of faith times just as we do today. I agree. Here's my question: While in the midst of this lack of faith, was Abram in a saving relationship with God? How does that apply to our lack of faith today?
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Re: Lesson Study #7 - The Man Abram
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We are told that Sarah was not telling an untruth by stating she was a sister of Abraham. I think the problem was that he did not reveal that she was also his wife. He reasoned that he was not guilty of falsehood in representing Sarah as his sister, for she was the daughter of his father, though not of his mother. But this concealment of the real relation between them was deception. No deviation from strict integrity can meet God's approval. {PP 130.1}
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There is no excuse for any one in taking the position that there is no more truth to be revealed, and that all our expositions of Scripture are without an error. The fact that certain doctrines have been held as truth for many years by our people, is not a proof that our ideas are infallible. Age will not make error into truth, and truth can afford to be fair. No true doctrine will lose anything by close investigation. RH 12/20/1892
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Re: Lesson Study #7 - The Man Abram
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Abram repeatedly told his wife to pose as his sister whenever they would enter a new territory. Where does this land on the faith scale? We are told that Sarah was not telling an untruth by stating she was a sister of Abraham. When I worked in West Africa I discovered that a young man in Western Nigeria would call any young lady in his village a sister. In former days a fellow female Adventists was always called a sister? Does it depend on circumstances if we are telling the truth or not? We are told that God cursed at least two kings who where fooled by Abram not telling the truth about his wife. If ones actions threaten to whipe out entire nations, are they still innocent pranks?
Galatians 2 21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.
It is so hazardous to take here a little and there a little. If you put the right little's together you can make the bible teach anything you wish. //Graham Maxwell
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Re: Lesson Study #7 - The Man Abram
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While in the midst of this lack of faith, was Abram in a saving relationship with God? How does that apply to our lack of faith today? Here's my answer: No. Without faith there can be no salvation. That applied to Abram, and that applies to us today.
By God's grace, Arnold
There is no excuse for any one in taking the position that there is no more truth to be revealed, and that all our expositions of Scripture are without an error. The fact that certain doctrines have been held as truth for many years by our people, is not a proof that our ideas are infallible. Age will not make error into truth, and truth can afford to be fair. No true doctrine will lose anything by close investigation. RH 12/20/1892
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Re: Lesson Study #7 - The Man Abram
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In the case of Abram, in those instances, I don't see any indication that the relationship was broken. Do you? The EGW quote in Tuesday's study may help to answer this question. "The Lord in His providence had brought this trial upon Abraham to teach him lessons of submission, patience, and faith-lessons that were to be placed on record for the benefit of all who should afterward be called to endure affliction. God leads His children by a way that they know not, but He does not forget or cast off those who put their trust in Him."—Ellen G. White, Patriarchs and Prophets, p. 129.
Are we not all showing a lack of faith in certain areas of our life?
Does that, therefore, mean that we are not in a saving relationship with Jesus Christ?
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Re: Lesson Study #7 - The Man Abram
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From the following quote from Wednesday's study, there is also a lesson of faith: Abram's failure in Egypt seems counterbalanced by the nobility of character that he demonstrated in his dealings with Lot. From the heights of Bethel Lot saw the Jordan Valley, well watered and fertile like the Garden of Eden and the plains of Mesopotamia. Lot chose that which appealed to his sense of immediate gain. Little did Lot realize what his choice would cost him. The decision was between "faith" and "sight," and the results demonstrate the wisdom of making the right choice. Abram's close relationship with the Lord and his determination to walk by faith enabled him to look beyond the immediate temporal advantages to eternal gain.
God continued to communicate with Abram and to lead him, therefore, I do not think that his lack of faith resulted in a severed relationship with God. It didn't help the relationship, however, I do not think it broke the relationship.
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Re: Lesson Study #7 - The Man Abram
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From tuesdays study, the first verses of chapter 12 And the LORD said to Abram, "Go forth from your land and your birthplace and your father's house to the land I will show you. And I will make you a great nation and I will bless you and make your name great, and you shall be a blessing. The translators margin comments say: The verb here as vocalized in the Masoretic Text literally means, "Be you a blessing," which makes the Hebrew syntax somewhat problematic. A change in vocalization would yield, "and it [your name] will be a blessing" < end quote > How do we best understand this verse?
Galatians 2 21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.
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