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Lesson Study #10 - The Price of DUPLICITY #81983
12/02/06 08:51 PM
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Time to begin to discuss the study for this week, which can be directly accessed from the following link:

http://www.ssnet.org/qrtrly/eng/06d/less10.html


In His Love, Mercy & Grace,

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John 8:32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

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Re: Lesson Study #10 - The Price of DUPLICITY [Re: Daryl] #82160
12/05/06 04:56 PM
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It's interesting that Isaac fell into the same temptation that his father was prone to.


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There is no excuse for any one in taking the position that there is no more truth to be revealed, and that all our expositions of Scripture are without an error. The fact that certain doctrines have been held as truth for many years by our people, is not a proof that our ideas are infallible. Age will not make error into truth, and truth can afford to be fair. No true doctrine will lose anything by close investigation. RH 12/20/1892
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Re: Lesson Study #10 - The Price of DUPLICITY [Re: asygo] #82176
12/05/06 10:36 PM
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You must be referring to Monday's study.

I guess it must have run in the family.

Sunday's and especially Tuesday's study showed how Jacob, under Rebekah's urging, used deception to obtain the birth right, rather than waiting and seeing how the LORD would have carried out His promise.

But, didn't Isaac know that Jacob was to have received the birth right instead of Esau?

As I said, it seems like this ran in the family as it looked like history repeating itself.


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Re: Lesson Study #10 - The Price of DUPLICITY [Re: Daryl] #82194
12/06/06 12:44 PM
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If Jacob hadnt obtained the birthright by murky means, can we know that Esau hadnt been the patriarch then? Or was Jacobs assent to the promise written in stone?


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21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.

It is so hazardous to take here a little and there a little. If you put the right little's together you can make the bible teach anything you wish. //Graham Maxwell
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Re: Lesson Study #10 - The Price of DUPLICITY [Re: vastergotland] #82262
12/07/06 07:00 PM
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This is the text that seems to contain the promise:

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Genesis 25:23
And Jehovah said to her, Two nations are in your womb, and two kinds of people shall be separated from your bowels. And the one people shall be stronger than the other people, the older shall serve the younger.


The older is Esau.

The younger is Jacob.

The older shall serve the younger = Esau, the older, shall serve Jacob, the younger.


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Re: Lesson Study #10 - The Price of DUPLICITY [Re: Daryl] #82269
12/07/06 08:47 PM
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This is talking about nations, not individuals.


Those who wait for the Bridegroom's coming are to say to the people, "Behold your God." The last rays of merciful light, the last message of mercy to be given to the world, is a revelation of His character of love.
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Re: Lesson Study #10 - The Price of DUPLICITY [Re: Tom] #82272
12/07/06 09:13 PM
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It's talking about Jacob and Esau who were at that time in Rebekah's womb. They are individuals, are they not?

Nations obviously came from both of them.

Using your words though, what would you say that the older nation from Esau serving the younger nation from Jacob was in reference to?

Also, what nation came out of Esau, and what nation came out of Jacob?


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Re: Lesson Study #10 - The Price of DUPLICITY [Re: Daryl] #82274
12/07/06 10:08 PM
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No, it's not talking about the individuals. It's talking about the nations:

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Genesis 25:23 And Jehovah said to her, Two nations are in your womb, and two kinds of people shall be separated from your bowels. And the one people shall be stronger than the other people, the older shall serve the younger.


Notice it says, "Two nations are in your womb." Esau the individual never served Jacob the individual.

Regarding the identity of the nations, that would be Edom and Israel, right?

Regarding your question as to what it means that one nation would server the other, I think the following addresses this:

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The burden of the word of the LORD to Israel by Malachi.

I have loved you, saith the LORD. Yet ye say, Wherein hast thou loved us? Was not Esau Jacob's brother? saith the LORD: yet I loved Jacob,

And I hated Esau, and laid his mountains and his heritage waste for the dragons of the wilderness.

Whereas Edom saith, We are impoverished, but we will return and build the desolate places; thus saith the LORD of hosts, They shall build, but I will throw down; and they shall call them, The border of wickedness, and, The people against whom the LORD hath indignation for ever.

And your eyes shall see, and ye shall say, The LORD will be magnified from the border of Israel. (Malachi 1:1-5)


Finally, by way of observation, we need to understand this prophecy is dealing with nations and not individuals if we want to understand Romans 9-11 correctly; the following especially comes to mind:

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That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.

For this is the word of promise, At this time will I come, and Sarah shall have a son.

And not only this; but when Rebecca also had conceived by one, even by our father Isaac;

(For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth;)

It was said unto her, The elder shall serve the younger.

As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.

What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid.

For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.

So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy. (Romans 9:8-16)


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Re: Lesson Study #10 - The Price of DUPLICITY [Re: Tom] #82292
12/08/06 03:18 PM
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It may ultimately be talking about two nations, an older one server the younger one, but it had to begin with two individuals, with the older one also serving the younger, if not in practice, at least in the aspect of the blessing, which we know was bestowed upon Jacob.


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Re: Lesson Study #10 - The Price of DUPLICITY [Re: Daryl] #82295
12/08/06 04:16 PM
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But that is the question, Could Esau have recieved the blessing or was it always Jacobs?


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It is so hazardous to take here a little and there a little. If you put the right little's together you can make the bible teach anything you wish. //Graham Maxwell
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