MM, do you think it may be possible that Satan hated them, and that he may be behind this in some way? Or you see this as being God's plan? Because He's angry, or something like that?

MM: The nation of Israel is under "a perpetual curse". And for more than "eighteen hundred years" now she has been reaping the wrath of God.

Do you agree?

To answer your questions, yes, Satan hates Jews. But he also hates all humans. Was he the one who made the decision to allow the Romans to destroy the Jews in AD 70? No! That was God’s choice. But He was forced into it. Was He also angry? Yes! But not in the sinful sense. He was righteously indignant.

Do you think the holocaust was a continuation of the Jews reaping what they have been sowing since AD 34?

Or, do you think that the Jews had stopped sowing rejecting Jesus and despising His sacrifice, that the "perpetual curse" had ended, and that why the holocaust happened was unrelated to the former sowing and perpetual curse?

By the way, I don't have the answers.

The one who made the choice were the Jews, not God.



This quote explains the whole thing very clearly.

I think the holocause occured because of anti-Semitism in general, because of Hitler's madness in particular, and also because of Satan, who inspires men to all sorts of evil. Neither the Jews suffering in A.D. 70 nor this century was God's will, as is the case in regards to all suffering. It is God's will to heal, to restore, not to destroy. This is seen plainly in the life and teachings of Christ.

TE: The one who made the choice were the Jews, not God.

MM: Yes, by default, but certainly not consciously. Nevertheless, it was God, not the Jews, who gave evil angels permission to influence the Jews and Romans to war against one another until the Jews and Jerusalem were destroyed. The Jews, in spite of all their rebelliousness, did not begin reaping what they were sowing until God cursed them with a “perpetual curse”, a curse that has lasted for more than “eighteen hundred years” so far.

TE: This quote explains the whole thing very clearly.

MM: It did not say that the Jews gave evil angels permission to influence them and the Romans to war against one another until the Jews were wiped out and dispersed. Nor did it say the Jews begged God to do it. They thought they were doing the will of God. It did not occur to them that their probation had closed and that God had given evil angels permission to punish them, that God had pronounced and “perpetual curse” upon them.

TE: I think the holocause occured because of anti-Semitism in general, because of Hitler's madness in particular, and also because of Satan, who inspires men to all sorts of evil. Neither the Jews suffering in A.D. 70 nor this century was God's will, as is the case in regards to all suffering. It is God's will to heal, to restore, not to destroy. This is seen plainly in the life and teachings of Christ.

MM: Anti-Semitism has been around since the first Jew. It’s been around forever. And there have been crazy people like Hitler forever, too. Ever since Joshua and the Jews conquered Canaan there have been people trying to wipe Jews from off the face of the earth. It will probably never end until Jesus returns.

But so long as the Jews were faithful and obedient to God, He fought on their behalf and prevented their destruction and dispersal. And whenever they were unfaithful and disobedient, God gave evil angels permission to use foreign armies to punish and displace them.

“God will use His enemies as instruments to punish those who have followed their own pernicious ways whereby the truth of God has been misrepresented, misjudged, and dishonored.--PC 136 (1894).” {LDE 242.3}

However, until their 490 year probation ended in AD 34, God restored the Jews time and time again. The “perpetual curse” which has beleaguered the Jews for over “eighteen hundred years” now, was pronounced against them when they sealed their fate by rejecting Jesus and His church in AD 34.

Did God pronounce a “perpetual curse” against the Jews against His will? Did He stop preventing their destruction and dispersal against His will? Did He choose not to extend their probation against His will? I don’t think so. Yes, God’s ultimate will is that nobody perish or punish for rejecting Jesus and despising His sacrifice. But when circumstances leave God no choice, it is His will to do the right thing, no matter how "strange" it may seem to us.

MM: Yes, by default, but certainly not consciously. Nevertheless, it was God, not the Jews, who gave evil angels permission to influence the Jews and Romans to war against one another until the Jews and Jerusalem were destroyed. The Jews, in spite of all their rebelliousness, did not begin reaping what they were sowing until God cursed them with a “perpetual curse”, a curse that has lasted for more than “eighteen hundred years” so far.

-So far, this "perpetual curse" has been a selffullfilling prophecy. "Christians" who for one or another reason have wanted to hurt Jews, rob Jews and so on have pointed at it and said, look, God is on our side. God has cursed the Jew, lets spoil him and take what is his for our own. I dont know why you want to defend this abomination on the history of the christian religion.

MM, I think you haven't grapsed the important parts of the quote I cited. The quote points out that the Jews forged their own fetters, and that what happened to them was due to Satan, who hides his actions by acusing God of being responsible, the very thing you appear to me to be asserting. (Am I wrong about this?)

The principles the quotes bring out are that we are always under God's protection, to such an extent that we cannot even recognize it. When we stubbornly refuse to have anything to do with Him, eventually He may remove His protection, and Satan has his way, causing destruction, and then accusing God for what he has done.

It is Satan's desire to cause us to look upon God as severe, harsh, bloodthirsty, and so forth, so that we will fear Him rather than love Him. This leads us to "worship" Him so that He won't kill us. But this type of religion is "worth nothing" (SOP).

The true motivation of love can only be realized if we recognize God in His true character, as generous, kind, compassionate, merciful, not willing that any should perish. God is love, as revealed in 1 Cor. 13, as revealed by His law, as revealed especially by Jesus Christ.

TV: So far, this "perpetual curse" has been a selffullfilling prophecy. "Christians" who for one or another reason have wanted to hurt Jews, rob Jews and so on have pointed at it and said, look, God is on our side. God has cursed the Jew, lets spoil him and take what is his for our own. I dont know why you want to defend this abomination on the history of the christian religion.

MM: Thomas, I am not aware of Christians taking advantage of Jews and excusing it based on the "perpetual curse". There is no "excuse" for sinning. Such are not Christians. Being a Christians means being like Jesus.

HP 286
When you took the name of Christian you promised in this life to prepare for the higher life in the kingdom of God. To be a Christian means to be Christlike. Not a satanic feature is to remain on mind or body, which are to reveal comeliness, purity, integrity, and dignity. {HP 286.4}

Tom, you seem to think that when God gives evil angels permission to cause death and destruction that He leaves it up to Satan to decide what can and cannot be done. If so, then I disagree. I believe holy angels are commanded to make sure that the evil anggels do not pass the boundary God established. In this way, evil angels can do nothing more than God has ordained.