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Re: Does the end justify the means?
[Re: Tom]
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01/07/07 11:34 PM
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JB: Rather, he feels keenly for each soul, and there is great joy for one sinner that repents.
MM: I agree
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TE: Not only must one choose to be lost, but it is a difficult thing to do:
MM: To be saved we must make a conscious choice. It does not require a conscious choice to be lost. We are born lost, not saved. That’s we must choose to be born again.
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Re: Does the end justify the means?
[Re: Mountain Man]
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01/08/07 12:05 AM
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TE: Not only must one choose to be lost, but it is a difficult thing to do:
MM: To be saved we must make a conscious choice. It does not require a conscious choice to be lost. We are born lost, not saved. That’s we must choose to be born again.
You're not taking into account the quotes I provided. The first one said that unless the sinner resists, he will be saved. The second won said that God will make us like Jesus unless we interpose a perverse will. Both resisting and interposing a perverse will are conscious choices.
The first statement also said that God's love has made it hard to be lost. "Hard" = "difficult".
Those who wait for the Bridegroom's coming are to say to the people, "Behold your God." The last rays of merciful light, the last message of mercy to be given to the world, is a revelation of His character of love.
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Re: Does the end justify the means?
[Re: Tom]
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01/08/07 01:18 PM
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Tom, not only do all the quotes I posted teach it, so does experience. It is a lot easier to backslide than it is to climb uphill. Yes, God provides us tools to obey Him and to be like Jesus, which is what makes it possible for us to do the impossible. But it is a "battle and a march". Full joy and peace, though. I love a good fight, especially when I am more than a conqueror in Jesus.
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Re: Does the end justify the means?
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Tom, not only do all the quotes I posted teach it, so does experience. It is a lot easier to backslide than it is to climb uphill.
Do you think the quotes your posted teach the opposite of the quotes I posted? "Do not therefore conclude that the upward path is the hard and the downward road the easy way." is pretty clear, isn't it? "God's love has made it hard for the heedless and headstrong to destroy themselves." This is true, isn't it?
The words of Jesus, "My yoke is easy, my burden is light" should be considered as well.
My experience must be different than yours, because my experience lines up with what Jesus said and what the Spirit of Prophecy say. It's easier to walk with God and to fight against Him. As Jesus said to Paul, "It's hard to kick against the pricks."
Those who wait for the Bridegroom's coming are to say to the people, "Behold your God." The last rays of merciful light, the last message of mercy to be given to the world, is a revelation of His character of love.
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