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Re: Audio Message on The Holy Spirit Led Church by Daryl Fawcett
[Re: Daryl]
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01/09/07 09:42 AM
01/09/07 09:42 AM
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What I get is an invitation to join WIKI
"Here is a last piece of advice. If you believe in goodness and if you value the approval of God, fix your minds on the things which are holy and right and pure and beautiful and good. Model your conduct on what you have learned from me, on what I have told you and shown you, and you will find the God of peace will be with you."
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Re: Audio Message on The Holy Spirit Led Church by Daryl Fawcett
[Re: Tom]
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01/09/07 09:52 AM
01/09/07 09:52 AM
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You have to click on the download button and type in a code it gives you. I didn't know that. After I did that, it worked.
Daryl, in the sermon you mentioned a story about an SDA who said something in a foreign land who spoke his language, but the interpreter didn't interpret. He asked why, and the interpreter said they were hearing him in their own language. Do you really think that makes sense? Dr. R. Loasby, my main professor at SDA Semimary (Potomac University - before moving to Berrien Springs) spent 25 years in India. Jokingly he told us of visitors from the GC who came and preached their sofisticated sermons that the audience did not understand, so the interpreter just preached one of his own sermons. Afterwards the local people would thank the visitor for his good sermon, and the visitor did not know they were thanking him for the good sermon of the interpreter.
"Here is a last piece of advice. If you believe in goodness and if you value the approval of God, fix your minds on the things which are holy and right and pure and beautiful and good. Model your conduct on what you have learned from me, on what I have told you and shown you, and you will find the God of peace will be with you."
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Re: Audio Message on The Holy Spirit Led Church by Daryl Fawcett
[Re: Johann]
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01/09/07 01:51 PM
01/09/07 01:51 PM
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After you read Acts 2:1-11 (quoted below) it will make more sense to you as it does to me. Acts 2:1 And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place. 2 And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting. 3 And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them. 4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance. 5 And there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews, devout men, out of every nation under heaven. 6 Now when this was noised abroad, the multitude came together, and were confounded, because that every man heard them speak in his own language. 7 And they were all amazed and marveled, saying one to another, Behold, are not all these which speak Galilaeans? 8 And how hear we every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born? 9 Parthians, and Medes, and Elamites, and the dwellers in Mesopotamia, and in Judea, and Cappadocia, in Pontus, and Asia, 10 Phrygia, and Pamphylia, in Egypt, and in the parts of Libya about Cyrene, and strangers of Rome, Jews and proselytes, 11 Cretes and Arabians, we do hear them speak in our tongues the wonderful works of God.
It didn't make sense to the hearers either as they asked "how hear we every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born?" I wish I could remember the name of the evangelist. All I know is that it was somebody like Mark Finley, Lonnie Melashenko, Doug Batchelor, or somebody like that. I think it may have been Doug Batchelor, however, I am not certain of that. I heard the person relaying the experience on either 3ABN or the Hope Channel.
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Re: Audio Message on The Holy Spirit Led Church by Daryl Fawcett
[Re: Daryl]
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01/09/07 01:55 PM
01/09/07 01:55 PM
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In reference to Acts 2:8 I read this from Adam Clarke's Bible Commentary: How hear we every man in our own tongue - Some have supposed from this that the miracle was not so much wrought on the disciples as on their hearers: imagining that, although the disciples spoke their own tongue, yet every man so understood what was spoken as if it had been spoken in the language in which he was born. Though this is by no means so likely as the opinion which states that the disciples themselves spoke all these different languages, yet the miracle is the same, howsoever it be taken; for it must require as much of the miraculous power of God to enable an Arab to understand a Galilean, as to enable a Galilean to speak Arabic.
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Re: Audio Message on The Holy Spirit Led Church by Daryl Fawcett
[Re: Daryl]
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01/09/07 02:14 PM
01/09/07 02:14 PM
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In reference to Acts 2:6 I quote the following from the SDA Bible Commentary: Heard them speak. The question sometimes is raised as to whether the gift operated here upon the apostles, giving them the power to speak other languages, or upon the hearers, giving them understanding of what the apostles said. Although it is true that Paul later recognizes the existence of a gift of interpretation of tongues (see 1 Cor. 12:30; 14:13, 27), the gift at Pentecost seems quite clearly to have been one bestowed on the apostles, because it was upon them that the Spirit came (Acts 2:3, 4; see AA 40; DA 821).
The writers obviously favoured the former over the latter, nevertheless, they were also aware of the latter as a possibility.
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Re: Audio Message on The Holy Spirit Led Church by Daryl Fawcett
[Re: Daryl]
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01/09/07 03:17 PM
01/09/07 03:17 PM
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As I think more on this, I think Doug Batchelor was the one who shared this experience.
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Re: Audio Message on The Holy Spirit Led Church by Daryl Fawcett
[Re: Daryl]
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01/09/07 03:21 PM
01/09/07 03:21 PM
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There were two reasons I questioned the anecdote. First of all, there was a translator there! Why would God do something supernatural in such a circumstance? Does this seem in character to you regarding how God acts? (i.e., performing a miracle where there is no need for such). Secondly, the Spirit of Prophecy identifies the gift of tongues as the ability to speak a given language, agreeing with what you quoted. This diversity of languages would have been a great hindrance to the proclamation of the gospel; God therefore in a miraculous manner supplied the deficiency of the apostles. The Holy Spirit did for them that which they could not have accomplished for themselves in a lifetime. They could now proclaim the truths of the gospel abroad, speaking with accuracy the languages of those for whom they were laboring. This miraculous gift was a strong evidence to the world that their commission bore the signet of Heaven. From this time forth the language of the disciples was pure, simple, and accurate, whether they spoke in their native tongue or in a foreign language. {AA 39.2}(emphasis mine) From the standpoint of logic, the gift would have to be upon the speakers, not the hearers, because it was the speakers who were filled with the Spirit, not the hearers. I don't wish to be all negative. It's natural to bring out questions and points of disagreements. I did have a couple of other comments, but not wishing to be too negative, I'll pass on these, unless you'd like me to share them. On the positive side, you have a nice speaking voice, and brought out many interesting points. I particularly liked your observation that a sign of the Holy Spirit led church is that watches go by the way-side (I don't remember the actual expression you used, but that was the thought).
Those who wait for the Bridegroom's coming are to say to the people, "Behold your God." The last rays of merciful light, the last message of mercy to be given to the world, is a revelation of His character of love.
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Re: Audio Message on The Holy Spirit Led Church by Daryl Fawcett
[Re: Tom]
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01/09/07 03:37 PM
01/09/07 03:37 PM
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If you are referring to watches in relation to time, as in the wrist-watch, then you are correct.
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Re: Audio Message on The Holy Spirit Led Church by Daryl Fawcett
[Re: Daryl]
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01/09/07 03:40 PM
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Tom,
Your reasoning also makes sense in that he said a translator was present, however, this is what he shared, therefore, either it happened as he shared it, or he, an evangelist, told a falsehood in what he experienced on world TV. Why would he have done that?
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Re: Audio Message on The Holy Spirit Led Church by Daryl Fawcett
[Re: Tom]
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01/09/07 06:33 PM
01/09/07 06:33 PM
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There were two reasons I questioned the anecdote. First of all, there was a translator there! Why would God do something supernatural in such a circumstance? Does this seem in character to you regarding how God acts? (i.e., performing a miracle where there is no need for such). Sometimes there might be other needs than merely to bring the message accross. While God doesnt do miracles to entertain, it is still true that miracles follow Gods people when working the field of souls to confirm the words preached (God knows when it will bear fruit). Maybe something like that happened here?
Galatians 2 21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.
It is so hazardous to take here a little and there a little. If you put the right little's together you can make the bible teach anything you wish. //Graham Maxwell
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