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Re: Lesson Study #9 - Seeing Through a Glass DARKLY [Re: Johann] #85899
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Wouldn't friendship be the more natural and thus the best foundation? When I ask this question, I am referring to our friendship towards both God and man. Trust develops out of friendship.


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John 8:32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

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Re: Lesson Study #9 - Seeing Through a Glass DARKLY [Re: Daryl] #85907
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It is interesting that the first 4 of the 10 commandments deal with our relationship to God. Then the remaining 6 deal with our relationship with people. An excellent commentary of the commandments is found in 1 John 3. John gives a description of the meaning of the commandments which are in full agreement with what Jesus said in the sermon he preached starting in Matt. 5. Jesus even includes a model prayer.


"Here is a last piece of advice. If you believe in goodness and if you value the approval of God, fix your minds on the things which are holy and right and pure and beautiful and good. Model your conduct on what you have learned from me, on what I have told you and shown you, and you will find the God of peace will be with you."
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Re: Lesson Study #9 - Seeing Through a Glass DARKLY [Re: Johann] #85910
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I once heard a sermon where it was said that the fourth commandment, the sabbath command, works as a bridge between the 3 first that deal soley with the man-God relationship on one hand and the 6 last witch deal with the man-man relationship. The sabbath command in this view deal with both the God-man and man-man relationships. Thoughts?


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21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.

It is so hazardous to take here a little and there a little. If you put the right little's together you can make the bible teach anything you wish. //Graham Maxwell
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Re: Lesson Study #9 - Seeing Through a Glass DARKLY [Re: vastergotland] #85914
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I would not argue with you!


"Here is a last piece of advice. If you believe in goodness and if you value the approval of God, fix your minds on the things which are holy and right and pure and beautiful and good. Model your conduct on what you have learned from me, on what I have told you and shown you, and you will find the God of peace will be with you."
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Re: Lesson Study #9 - Seeing Through a Glass DARKLY [Re: vastergotland] #85924
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Interesting thought about the 4th Commandment in relation the first three and the last six.

I must say that I do not have any problem with this interesting thought.


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Re: Lesson Study #9 - Seeing Through a Glass DARKLY [Re: Johann] #85930
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Why not?


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21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.

It is so hazardous to take here a little and there a little. If you put the right little's together you can make the bible teach anything you wish. //Graham Maxwell
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Re: Lesson Study #9 - Seeing Through a Glass DARKLY [Re: vastergotland] #85933
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Because I agree with the thought that the 4th Commandment, as stated in your post, "deals with both the God-man and man-man relationships."


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Re: Lesson Study #9 - Seeing Through a Glass DARKLY [Re: Johann] #85942
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 Originally Posted By: Johann
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For example, do we obey the speed limit all the time? If not, do we only disregard it when God commands us to do so?


Both my foster son and I have driven way above the speed limit.


In all the cases you mentioned, I can see how God could require you to break the speed limit. Fortunately for you, your human government agreed with your assessment.

But what if they gave you a ticket anyway? Or if they threw you in jail? (In the U.S., you can go to jail if you exceed a certain speed.) Would you still do what you did? Would you to it happily, and rejoice that you were able to do God's bidding, regardless of the temporal consequences?


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And this is the testimony, that God gave us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. Whoever has the Son has life; whoever does not have the Son of God does not have life. I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, that you may know that you have eternal life.
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Re: Lesson Study #9 - Seeing Through a Glass DARKLY [Re: asygo] #85943
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There is also Trust and Justice which is the title in Wednesday's section.

What is the difference between trust and friendship from trust and justice?

How does Solomon see it?

How do we see it?


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Daryl smile

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Re: Lesson Study #9 - Seeing Through a Glass DARKLY [Re: asygo] #85969
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 Originally Posted By: asygo
 Originally Posted By: Johann
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For example, do we obey the speed limit all the time? If not, do we only disregard it when God commands us to do so?


Both my foster son and I have driven way above the speed limit.


In all the cases you mentioned, I can see how God could require you to break the speed limit. Fortunately for you, your human government agreed with your assessment.

But what if they gave you a ticket anyway? Or if they threw you in jail? (In the U.S., you can go to jail if you exceed a certain speed.) Would you still do what you did? Would you to it happily, and rejoice that you were able to do God's bidding, regardless of the temporal consequences?


Some questions are difficult to answer. In certain countries the law permits you to break the speed limit in emergencies, and the police know this law too.

But one of my sons told me of a voluteer fireman who had a light blinker on top of his pickup to be used when on his way to a fire. He experienced how he turned on this blinker too if he notice the police in the vicinity when he was driving too fast. Was that a true emergency?


"Here is a last piece of advice. If you believe in goodness and if you value the approval of God, fix your minds on the things which are holy and right and pure and beautiful and good. Model your conduct on what you have learned from me, on what I have told you and shown you, and you will find the God of peace will be with you."
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