I wonder how much the meat & milk industry paid him to write that article!?!?!?

I've lived on Soy for 45+ years, fed tons of soy to my 5 kids, 2 of which are boys, 18 & 20 years old, and they are as manly as they come. My husband has ate all the soy I fed him for nearly 30 years, with none of those "symptoms".... This is a crock, to say the least!

It is never too much to ask, Will...

I was thinking the same thing,Cheri... It makes no sense at all for Daniel to be portrayed as so strict, straight & true in his early years in Babylon...and then, when he is an old man and closer to God than ever, to the point that he is THE MAN who God chooses in all the world to communicate with, to give him visions for these last days, that then he is supposed eating meat and drinking alcohol just prior to these visions???? He just took a temporary break from the alcohol and meat while he gets the visions from the Lord???? God forbid!

I believe Gordon gave a very good paraphrase of the verse in question.

Personally, I think it could be dangerous to look at it like that, Arnold. I'm afraid alot of people could do alot of justifying, and eat pretty much anything, as they tell themselves that "their heart was right with the Lord"...

I believe that if our heart is right with the Lord, there are certain things we just plain won't eat, won't drink, won't wear, won't say, etc, etc, etc. There still are some "black and whites" - not everything is all gray...

After all it is "By their fruits (what they DO, including eating, drinking & dressing) that we will know them.

Sorry if it seems like I'm posting too many quotes together...I have little time during the day...so usually whatever I have the chance to post, has to be posted in the morning...

Can we think the the Prophet of God, Daniel, was under any less prohibition?

Good morning Will,It is common knowledge that alcohol changes our mental abilities. In fact, what ever we put into our bodies has an effect. Cause equals effect.

Daniel himself teaches that he did not touch these things because the state of his mind was mourning (ref. Daniel 10:2).

Let us remember that character is also defined as moral and ethics, therefore to discuss Daniels character is relevant because we are discussing his principles as to whether or not he left his great choice from youth.

Your Sister in Christ Jesus,
Cheri

Cheri,
#1 He was in mourning for 3 weeks, and he stated that as a result he did not touch X,Y,Z for those 3 weeks
#2We are talking about meat eating not drinking.
To discuss Daniels character is not relevant. Claiming eating meat is a sin is relevant to this topic.
That's what we are talking about. Did he eat meat yay or nay? Can yo answer that Cheri.
Here:
Do you believe that Daniel ate meat.
God Bless,
Will

These all problems with Daniel eating meat all disapear once we realise that in Daniels day, noone had ever heard that eating meat was would be a sin. Eating unclean meat yes, but eating clean meat no. At no time during the time Israel existed is eating properly slaughtered lamb, goat or cow/bulls described or refered to as sin. And no matter how many times we disagree with it will change it. Daniel was a righteous man and the fact is that being a vegetarian was NOT part of the definition of righteousness during the time he lived. And the passages from Romans show that this had not changed in those years. For Paul, being a vegetarian still was not part of the definition of rightousness. Even if, IF, this definition changed through Ellens time and through her messages, that in no way should be used to judge those who lived in times prior to her. Something said in the mid 19th century can not change or affect the righteouness of someone who lived 3000 years previously.

Paul makes a simmilar argument in Galatians:

Gal 3:17 And I say this, A covenant having been ratified before to Christ by God, the Law coming into being four hundred and thirty years after, does not annul the promise, so as to abolish it.

Likewise, the righteousness of Daniel, having been acknowledged by God, is in no way affected by a new moral code coming 3000 years later, and in no way abolish it.

And again, from the day Moses brought Israel out of Egypt, to the day Jesus died on the cross, the law of the Torah made clear that vegetarianism was punishable by death. For the one who did not partake of the passover lamb was to be eliminated from the people. Daniel could *not* have been faithfull to God and to vegetarianism at the same time. Daniel I believe choose God.

I asked for a reaction, and this is one. Good.

However, I would like to know how injecting meat and dairy cattle with this growth hormone gets it into eggs and chicken? Unless you are saying that they feed the chicken with beef...

Also noticed that your quote reflected the EU view on hormone grown cattle. Well, I happen to live within the EU area, so the circumstances might be slightly better for me than for you in this area.