It gets worse. Would He provide food for the disciples that would be sinful to eat?



Sis Cheri, I'd like to clear this up in less than a year. Would you mind giving me a summary of your conclusions and the evidence to support them? Thanks.

Also, how do you understand Luke 24:42-43?

Regret and remorse? Right...

Exo 12:24 And you shall observe this Word for an ordinance for you, and for your sons forever.
Exo 12:25 And it shall be, when you come into the land which Jehovah shall give to you, as He has spoken, you shall observe this service.
Exo 12:26 And it shall be, when your sons say to you, What is this service to you?
Exo 12:27 Then you shall say, A sacrifice of a passover of Jehovah, who passed over the houses of the sons of Israel in Egypt when He struck Egypt. And He delivered our houses. And the people bowed and worshiped.

Exo 12:42 It is a night of celebration to Jehovah, for bringing them out from the land of Egypt. This night is a celebration for all the sons of Israel to their generations.
Exo 12:43 And Jehovah said to Moses and Aaron, This is the ordinance of the Passover. No stranger may eat of it.

Looks more like praise and gratitude to me.

Num 9:10 Speak to the sons of Israel, saying, If any man of you or of your generations shall be unclean by reason of a body, or be in a distant journey, yet he shall keep the Passover to Jehovah.
Num 9:11 In the second month, on the fourteenth day at dusk, they shall keep it; they shall eat it with unleavened bread and bitter herbs;
Num 9:12 they shall leave none of it until morning, nor break a bone of it. According to all the statutes of the Passover, they shall keep it.

So if Daniel did not take passover on its regulated day on the fourteenth of the first month, then he was to take it on the fourteenth of the secound month. And if he then again refrained from taking passover...

Num 9:13 But the man that is clean, and is not on a journey, and has failed to prepare the Passover, even that person shall be cut off from his people, because he did not bring the offering of Jehovah in its appointed season, that man shall bear his sin.

Here we have an acctual sin, one that is recorded in the bible. Do we prefer that Daniel would have broken a commandment God acctually recorded in the bible in order to save Daniel from breaking a "commandment" that is NOT in the bible? This is approaching the rediculious...

Considering Jesus and meat.

Mat 14:16 But Jesus said to them, They have no need to go away. You give them food to eat.
Mat 14:17 But they said to Him, We have nothing here except five loaves and two fish.
Mat 14:18 And He said, Bring them here to Me.
Mat 14:19 And commanding the crowds to recline on the grass, and taking the five loaves and two fish, looking up to Heaven, He blessed. And breaking, He gave the loaves to the disciples, and the disciples gave to the crowds.
Mat 14:20 And all ate and were satisfied. And they took up the left over pieces, twelve hand-baskets full.
Mat 14:21 And the ones eating were about five thousand men, besides women and children.

Mat 15:34 And Jesus said to them, How many loaves do you have? And they said, Seven, and a few small fish.
Mat 15:35 And He ordered the crowds to recline on the ground.
Mat 15:36 And taking the seven loaves and the fish, giving thanks, He broke and gave to His disciples, and the disciples to the crowd.
Mat 15:37 And all ate and were satisfied. And they took up the left over pieces, seven lunch baskets full.
Mat 15:38 And the ones eating were four thousand men, apart from women and children.

Luk 24:36 And as they were telling these things, Jesus Himself stood in their midst, and said to them, Peace to you!
Luk 24:37 But being terrified, and being filled with fear, they thought they saw a spirit.
Luk 24:38 And He said to them, Why are you troubled? And why do reasonings come up in your hearts.
Luk 24:39 See My hands and My feet, that I am He? Feel Me and see, because a spirit does not have flesh and bones, as you see Me having.
Luk 24:40 And saying this, He showed them His hands and feet.
Luk 24:41 But yet they not believing from the joy, and marveling, He said to them, Have you any food here?
Luk 24:42 And they handed a broiled part of a fish to Him, and from a honeycomb.
Luk 24:43 And taking these before them, He ate.

Joh 21:7 Then they cast, and they no longer had the strength to draw, from the multitude of the fish. Then the disciple whom Jesus loved said to Peter, It is the Lord. Then hearing that it is the Lord, Simon Peter girded on his coat (for he was naked) and threw himself into the sea.
Joh 21:8 And the other disciples came in the little boat, for they were not far from the land, only about two hundred cubits, dragging the net of the fish.
Joh 21:9 Then when they went up on the land, they saw a coal fire lying, and a fish lying on it, and bread.
Joh 21:10 Jesus said to them, Bring from the little fish which you caught now.
Joh 21:11 Simon Peter went up and dragged the net onto the land, full of big fish, a hundred and fifty three. And though being so many, the net was not torn.
Joh 21:12 Jesus said to them, Come, break fast. And no one of the disciples dared to ask Him, Who are You? knowing that it is the Lord.
Joh 21:13 Then Jesus came and took the bread, and gave to them, and in the same way the little fish.
Joh 21:14 This now is three times that Jesus was revealed to His disciples, He being raised from the dead.

So, what do we have here. Jesus is recorded as twise feeding huge crowds of people with fish and bread. After His death and ressurection He first eats bread and fish to prove that it is He (which also indicates that it wasnt the first time He ate that). He then serves fish and bread to the diciples once again before He left earth. And of course we all remember that the last meal Jesus had before His crusifiction was the passover meal. Come on now, wouldnt it just be easier to confess that eating meat is not a sin? Who here dares accuse Jesus of sin for His custom of eating fish?

Thomas

Crater,
You said:


It's wild salmon, not store bought, but what they bring back on their boats.
Good eye! lol!!
God Bless,
Will

Jesus is not a minister of sin, thus if meat eating is a sin, and he ate meat i.e. fish, and fed people fish and bread, then He would have been a liar, and not the Messiah who would "Magnify the Law". God Bless,
Will

Hello Thomas,

Thank you for the reply. Our Bibles render quite different meanings of the verse.

The King James Version:

Exodus 12:42 It is a night to be much observed unto the LORD for bringing them out of the land of Egypt: this is that night of the LORD to be observed of all the children of Israel in their generations.

The margin reads "a night of observations". This word (8107 in Strong's Concordance) only appears twice in the Bible, both times in this same verse. But the root for 8107 is 8104, which is translated as beware, circumspect, take heed, keep, mark, look narrowly, preserve, regard, watch, etc. Here we find the real meaning. Watchfulness, sobriety. In perfect accord with the impending doom of the tenth plague about descend upon the unmarked houses.

Here are some examples of 8104. None indicate 'celebration' as quoted from your Bible.

Exodus 23:12,13: "Six days thou shalt do thy work, and on the seventh day thou shalt rest...And in all things that I have said unto you be circumspect: and make no mention of the name of other gods.."

Exodus 20:6 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.

Proverbs 19:16 He that keepeth the commandment keepeth his own soul

Psalm 121:7 The Lord shall preserve thee from all evil:he shall preserve
thy soul

Isaiah 62:6 I have set watchmen upon thy walls, O Jerusalem

(8104 occurs over 450 times but this is representative of the usage - no hint of celebration, quite the opposite)

Thomas, please mention which Bible version you have quoted.

It may be of interest to others that this word for watch, beware, take heed, beware, circumspect, is applied to solemn occasions such as Passover, keeping the commandments, guarding the sanctity of the Sabbath, the tabernacle service, etc.

Thomas has expressed his endorsement of the ecumenical movement before and this would only be natural if he is reading from an ecumenical Bible. This would explain how circumspect and watchfulness become celebration.

Remember the Catholic charismatic movement that swept the SDA Church in early 1990s, the Celebration Church. Here was introduced much of the music, drums, clapping and evangelical style worship, in place of the reverent (albeit often cold) historic Adventism. It changed the Church. And it seems as if it may be justified by certain Bible versions. An interesting revelation - thank you for this study Thomas. Again, please note which Bible version you have quoted.

Gordon

Gordonb1,
Can you elaborate and provide more detailed information on your statement:


That's quite serious charge, considering the goal of the ecumenical movement to take back all united churches to Rome, unless that's not the purpose of the ecumenical movement.
God Bless,
Will

Yes Will, I did recall your confession to eating fish with the in-laws. They being fisherman, and the deep water catch lead me to assume it would be "fresh caught and wild".

I haven’t condemn you and I don’t think Ellen would either, if you eat a little fish at your in-laws. They apparently know first hand the condition and health of the fish.

Here is what I have found Ellen to say. Not to to be a conscience for another.



Ellen advocated Avoidance of meat eating, not because it is regarded as sin to eat meat, but because it is not healthful.



Vegetarianism not a test of church "fellowship", but she does have some things to say on the subject of flesh food.

Mornin Cheri,
Well, I have to disagree with you on this one...both the Bible and the SOP clearly state that Jesus ate fish:



Perhaps you were not aware of this quote, Cheri...but I do believe we have to be careful of not taking a stand on something and then trying to force all texts/quotes to fit into our understanding.