True conversion is simply taking God at His word and it is following out the teachings of Jesus Christ. {NI Rec, August 17, 1909 par. 10}

When true conversion takes place in the heart, it is made manifest in a transformation of character, for those who are converted become Christlike. Pride no longer lives in the heart, sin seems abominable. The converted soul hates the thing that depraves his moral sensibilities. He hates that which crucified the Lord of life and glory. Those who are truly converted grow in the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, and as knowledge of Christ increases, they see more clearly where their own weakness lies; they realize the deep depravity of their natures. They understand the strength of sin, and know the power of their old habits. {TMK 62.2}

Those are just quotes, Arnold. What do they mean to you?

True conversion is a change in character - thoughts and feelings. This, of course, results in a change of motives and desires. But it does not make one omniscient. There is more of God's holiness to learn, and more of our depravity to unlearn: "Those who are truly converted grow in the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, and as knowledge of Christ increases, they see more clearly where their own weakness lies; they realize the deep depravity of their natures."



Even the truly converted have deficiencies. But when the conversion is genuine, our choice to be Christian is empowered by God's infinite grace.

Good thoughts, Arnold.

Do you agree with the quotes? Or, do you believe someone altered her statements?

Arnold, the quotes you posted agree with the opening quote of this thread. They teach that "true conversion" means recognizing and resisting our sinful habits in light of Christ and Him crucified, in light of the Word of God.

Yes, our sinful flesh will continue to tempt us from within, but in Christ we keep our unholy lusts and affections under control. We do not allow them to resurface. Possessing them is not a sin. We are stuck with them until Jesus returns and replaces our sinful flesh and a sinless one.

Jesus making up "for our unavoidable deficiencies" is not talking about Jesus making up for our sinful behaviour. Sinful habits are revealed, confessed, and crucified by the time we are born again. Yes, a person, like Luther, may not understand the truth about Sabbath-keeping and beer-drinking, but sins of ignorance fall under God's special umbrella.

For reasons that make sense to God, He chooses not to "expose" (SC 29) certain things to their sight. "And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent." (Acts 17:30)

Since raising up the Remnant Church few people nowadays are legitimately ignorant of things like Sabbath-keeping and beer-drinking, especially in well informed nations. "Our condemnation in the judgment will not result from the fact that we have been in error, but from the fact that we have neglected heaven-sent opportunities for learning what is truth." (DA 489)

AA 314
The apostle compared himself to a man running in a race, straining every nerve to win the prize. "I therefore so run," he says, "not as uncertainly; so fight I, not as one that beateth the air: but I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway." That he might not run uncertainly or at random in the Christian race, Paul subjected himself to severe training. The words, "I keep under my body," literally mean to beat back by severe discipline the desires, impulses, and passions. {AA 314.1}

Uhm, which quotes would that be?

Christ's robe of righteousness can never cover one cherished sin. But it can cover sins of ignorance.

Do you agree?

There are cases when God commanded something that He had previously forbidden, and others when God forbade something that He had previously commanded. It's not a matter of time, but God's instruction.

I assumed you were referring to the quotes regarding meat eating and sin?