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Re: What if Jesus had failed?
[Re: John Boskovic]
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03/23/07 03:59 AM
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I think you are romanticizing something that is plain and straightforward.
Hmmm, that is strange; was God romanticizing when he found fault with the Israelites in that they were not of faith. Paul also finds fault with their knowledge because it was not of faith, declaring that they were ignorant of God’s righteousness because they were not of faith. Lack of faith is not romantic in the least. What is that supposed to say? Did you not kind of flip there? You were proposing something "romantic", not something "not romantic". That was a response to your equating Israel's lack of faith with God romanticizing. My original comment was directed toward your comments that foreknowledge is corrupt because it is separate from faith.
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Re: What if Jesus had failed?
[Re: John Boskovic]
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03/23/07 04:03 AM
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What I am referring to is your contention that lack of knowledge is somehow virtuous; that knowledge is corrupt.
What I am contending against is a knowledge that does not allow for faith or love. In that case, you are contending alone because that is so NOT what I'm talking about. If you read my comments, you will see that the knowledge I'm speaking about, is knowledge that encompasses those things. If true faith and love are what you are looking for, you will not find them by disparaging knowledge. The blessings God offers include all three.
By God's grace, Arnold
There is no excuse for any one in taking the position that there is no more truth to be revealed, and that all our expositions of Scripture are without an error. The fact that certain doctrines have been held as truth for many years by our people, is not a proof that our ideas are infallible. Age will not make error into truth, and truth can afford to be fair. No true doctrine will lose anything by close investigation. RH 12/20/1892
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Re: Jesus took the risk of failure and eternal loss
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03/23/07 09:44 PM
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"Then as the glories of the eternal home burst upon our enraptured senses we shall remember that Jesus left all this for us, that He not only became an exile from the heavenly courts, but for us took the risk of failure and eternal loss."
1. In what sense was Jesus "an exile"?
2. In what sense did Jesus take a "risk"?
GC 533 Immortality, promised to man on condition of obedience, had been forfeited by transgression. Adam could not transmit to his posterity that which he did not possess; and there could have been no hope for the fallen race had not God, by the sacrifice of His Son, brought immortality within their reach. {GC 533.1}
5BC 1128 But Jesus Christ was the only begotten Son of God. He took upon Himself human nature, and was tempted in all points as human nature is tempted. He could have sinned; He could have fallen, but not for one moment was there in Him an evil propensity. He was assailed with temptations in the wilderness, as Adam was assailed with temptations in Eden. {5BC 1128.4}
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Re: Jesus took the risk of failure and eternal loss
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03/23/07 10:11 PM
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1. In what sense was Jesus "an exile"? As our Substitute, He was exiled more than anyone ever has.
By God's grace, Arnold
There is no excuse for any one in taking the position that there is no more truth to be revealed, and that all our expositions of Scripture are without an error. The fact that certain doctrines have been held as truth for many years by our people, is not a proof that our ideas are infallible. Age will not make error into truth, and truth can afford to be fair. No true doctrine will lose anything by close investigation. RH 12/20/1892
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Re: What if Jesus had failed?
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03/23/07 11:57 PM
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I have been however adressing the aspects of foreknowledge which you have also been proposing, which does not allow for faith. Then you misunderstand me. I have proposed no such concept, nor do I espouse it. As far as I'm concerned, foreknowledge in the realm of human behavior must necessarily be based on the person's faith in God, and in God's faith in His own knowledge of our characters. Foreknowledge regarding inanimate objects does not require faith or love or character, just physics.
By God's grace, Arnold
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