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Re: What if Jesus had failed?
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03/26/07 06:47 PM
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Also, if Christ had failed resulting in the immediate destruction of the human race, what about Enoch, Elijah, and Moses? Would they have also been destroyed?
In the light of the fact that the Bible didn't give any hint of failure, I agree that we would need to harmonize what EGW said in regards to risk to the Bible. Too many seem to have the idea that had Jesus failed that God would have to call Moses, Elijah and Enoch and have them face an angelic fireing squad while an angelic chori sings the doxology. But Mrs. White in her Great Controversy lets us know about the universal implact of the Great Controversy. Had Jesus failed the whole universe would have found God not to be all that God claims to be, would have lost their life giving connection to the only source of life. All creatures would have stopped existing, the universe would have come crashing down around God and God would have realized that God was not really how God understands God's self, that God is selfish and does not live by self sacrificing love, and it would have been hell for God. The sepperation from the beloved creatures because of God's selfishness, and the realization of this selfishness would have been horrible "wrath" of God upon himself.
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Re: What if Jesus had failed?
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It's coming to a place where if someone posts here "Good morning" it would be turned into a debate over whether it is a good morning because God sees it will be a good morning, or if God does not see that it would be a good morning. That's hilarious. I agree with your plan. I'm keeping all my foreknowledge stuff in the foreknowledge thread.
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There is no excuse for any one in taking the position that there is no more truth to be revealed, and that all our expositions of Scripture are without an error. The fact that certain doctrines have been held as truth for many years by our people, is not a proof that our ideas are infallible. Age will not make error into truth, and truth can afford to be fair. No true doctrine will lose anything by close investigation. RH 12/20/1892
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Re: Jesus took the risk of failure and eternal loss
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How did we become so convinced that the future of the human race depended on what happened on the cross? This passage is pretty convincing: Matthew 16:21-23 - From that time Jesus began to show to His disciples that He must go to Jerusalem, and suffer many things from the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and be raised the third day. Then Peter took Him aside and began to rebuke Him, saying, “Far be it from You, Lord; this shall not happen to You!” But He turned and said to Peter, “Get behind Me, Satan! You are an offense to Me, for you are not mindful of the things of God, but the things of men.”Jesus: I will be killed then rise again. Peter: No way. Jesus: You don't know what God wants.
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There is no excuse for any one in taking the position that there is no more truth to be revealed, and that all our expositions of Scripture are without an error. The fact that certain doctrines have been held as truth for many years by our people, is not a proof that our ideas are infallible. Age will not make error into truth, and truth can afford to be fair. No true doctrine will lose anything by close investigation. RH 12/20/1892
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Re: What if Jesus had failed?
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But Mrs. White in her Great Controversy lets us know... Can you give the reference for that? I'd like to dig.
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Re: Jesus took the risk of failure and eternal loss
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Paul preaching it as he did might It seems Paul found it rather important.
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Re: What if Jesus had failed?
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But Mrs. White in her Great Controversy lets us know... Can you give the reference for that? I'd like to dig. The clearests references are the chapters "Why Was Sin Permitted" "The Orgin of Evil" "It is Finished." and the entire book "Confrontation" (I think that is the titile, it's a small book written about the wilderness temptation) For example Desire of Ages pg 764 says "At the beginning of the great controversy, the angels did not understand this. Had Satan and his host then been left to reap the full results of their sin, they would have perished; but it would not have been apperent to heavenly beings that this was the inevitable result of sin. A doubt of God's goodness would have remained in their minds as evil seed, to produce it's deadly fruit of sin and woe." Had Jesus in his humanity had any taint of selfishness, had any implications to feel he would be for himself by making less of the outside world, instead of loving it on an honest basis. Had Jesus and/or the Father been selfish by deciding to be together at our expence and thus not let my sin sepperate them, had the Holy Spirit become so worried that Jesus might fail that he would have taken control of Jesus' will instead of allowing Jesus to surrender it to him, had they done the slightest taint of anything besides self sacrificing love, had they trusted in anything else but their righteousness by faith relationship to each other, God would not have been what he claims, and would not have been worth having the life giving connection with. God would have proved to be a tyrant, where it would be better to be dead than to live with this tyrant, and God would have been driven mad by this inconsistancy in himself
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Re: Jesus took the risk of failure and eternal loss
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We must not forget that the gospels were written decades after the events they describe. We remember. But regardless, this description of an old event still helps answer the question, "How did we become so convinced that the future of the human race depended on what happened on the cross?"
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