Sorry for the confusion. That's what I meant to ask. Thank you for clarifying your point.


How did you arrive at this conclusion? Nothing is written about them in the Bible. John was told not to record them. "And when the seven thunders had uttered their voices, I was about to write: and I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Seal up those things which the seven thunders uttered, and write them not."

Ellen White believed the seven thunders described events which would transpire under the first and second angels' messages. She said nothing about subsequent events. "The special light given to John which was expressed in the seven thunders was a delineation of events which would transpire under the first and second angels' messages." Here she is referring specifically to the Millerite Movement.

I don't see EGW's statement limiting them to Miller's time. Of course if you just take ONE sentence it may seem to, but then she goes on to say after the "test" more light would be revealed.

To say they were the first and second angel's message already would deny that John didn't write ANYTHING concerning them.
He did write concerning them but not directly.

He didn't write:
And the first thunder sounded and I saw an angel flying in the heavens with the everlasting gospel to preach to every kindred and nation, saying, fear God and give glory to Him for the hour of his judgment is come.

And the second thunder sounded and I saw another angel crying with a loud voice, Babylon is fallen.....

And the third thunder sounded and ......

Unlike his depictions of the seals, trumpets, etc. he didn't write about them directly. It is left to the student of scripture to see the connections, and EGW tells us where to look --

The thunders began with the Millerite movement and depict the first and second angel's messages and until the "adventists" passed the test of 1844 no further light would be revealed, BUT when the test was passed MORE light would be given. They began to understand the rest of the angels.

And as I tried to share -- MORE ANGELS sounded the last warnings there in Reve. 14. There are six angels in Rev. 14 and a seventh joins in, in Rev. 18.

You seem to be saying John eventually wrote out the seven thunders in Rev 14 and 18.

"In the revelation given to John there was unfolded scene after scene of thrilling interest in the experience of the people of God, and the history of the church foretold to the very close of time."

Revelation was not to be a sealed book.

Revelation 10 has an interesting juxtopostion of sealed and unsealed messages. We generally attribute the unsealing to the unsealing of the prophetic messages (especially Daniel) yet obviously everything isn't unsealed at once. The thunders are still sealed when "the little book is eaten" and then found to be "bitter".

Personally I think this is what caused the "book" to be "bitter". They didn't understanding the "thunders" which are about the whole judgment steps that would begin with the investigative judgment in 1844, which the 1844 movement was to alert the world to. Of course the full scope of judgment also includes the second coming executive judgment, as well as the endtime judgment after the 1000 years when every person ever to live upon this earth stands before God's judgment throne.

That was all sealed for them as they only saw an immediate executive 2nd coming judgment to take place in 1844.

But does that mean it would be sealed forever?
I guess that's the question we need to think about.

Didn't EGW also mention that they had to pass the "test" before further light would be revealed? The writings of the pioneers after 1844 state many times that Christ couldn't have come at the giving of the first angel's message because more angels were to follow.

In the days of the voice of the seventh trumpet angel, which began with the experience of Rev. 10, John saw the most holy place of God's temple opened. "And the temple of God was opened in Heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament; and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail." Rev.11:19.

As James wrote in his "Bible Adventism" concerning the part that was "not understood" by the Millerites:


In fact Revelation 11 (the first verses of which actually belong to Revelation 10) urges the disappointed one to go and measure the temple.


"A reed like a rod was given me, and the angel said, Rise, and measure the temple of the God, and the altar, and them that worship therein." But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not" (11:1-2)
They were commanded to "measure the temple".
They thought the sanctuary was this earth--
They thought the earth would be cleansed at the end of the time periods.
But no-- they were NOT to measure the "courtyard" of the temple.
The "courtyard" where the altar of sacrifice stood represents the earth.

However, the inner holy places of the earthly sanctuary represented the great heavenly sanctuary.

What was to be measured?

The same three things that were to be cleansed in the day of atonement!

The altar,(Lev. 16:18)
the sanctuary (Lev. 16:16)
and the worshipers! (16:17)

After the "test" the truths of God's system of judgment was opened for the believers.

Yet, even Revelation 14 was not really understood -- so in a sense was sealed until after the disappointed. The angel of Rev. 18 still isn't fully understood. Though as I've been looking more in this "spiritual formation" that is sweeping through the churches I think the "full of demons and every foul spirit" is becoming clearer. Can we rise to give the true message which will also fill the earth with HIS glory?

Are you saying the seven angels of Rev 14 & 18 proclaim the seven thunders of Rev 10?

Which of the seven angels of Rev 14 and 18 is the following angel? Or, is it a separate one?

10:1 And I saw another mighty angel come down from heaven, clothed with a cloud: and a rainbow [was] upon his head, and his face [was] as it were the sun, and his feet as pillars of fire:

What are the seven thunders?

10:4 And when the seven thunders had uttered their voices, I was about to write: and I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Seal up those things which the seven thunders uttered, and write them not.

What does "time no longer" mean?

10:6 And sware by him that liveth for ever and ever, who created heaven, and the things that therein are, and the earth, and the things that therein are, and the sea, and the things which are therein, that there should be time no longer:

Which of the seven angels of Rev 14 and 18 is the following angel?

10:7 But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.

What is the little book?

10:10 And I took the little book out of the angel's hand, and ate it up; and it was in my mouth sweet as honey: and as soon as I had eaten it, my belly was bitter.

What does "prophesy again" mean?

10:11 And he said unto me, Thou must prophesy again before many peoples, and nations, and tongues, and kings.

What is the "mystery of God"?

10:7 But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.

What does the following prophecy mean?

11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become [the kingdoms] of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.
11:16 And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God,
11:17 Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned.
11:18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.
11:19 And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.

CT 414
The kingdoms of this world have not yet become the kingdoms of our Lord and of His Christ. Do not deceive yourselves; be wide awake and move rapidly, for the night cometh in which no man can work. {CT 414.2}

GC 301
About His coming cluster the glories of that "restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all His holy prophets since the world began." Acts 3:21. Then the long-continued rule of evil shall be broken; "the kingdoms of this world" will become "the kingdoms of our Lord, and of His Christ; and He shall reign for ever and ever." Revelation 11:15. "The glory of the Lord shall be revealed, and all flesh shall see it together." "The Lord God will cause righteousness and praise to spring forth before all the nations." He shall be "for a crown of glory, and for a diadem of beauty, unto the residue of His people." Isaiah 40:5; 61:11; 28:5. {GC 301.3}

GC 433
Therefore the announcement that the temple of God was opened in heaven and the ark of His testament was seen points to the opening of the most holy place of the heavenly sanctuary in 1844 as Christ entered there to perform the closing work of the atonement. Those who by faith followed their great High Priest as He entered upon His ministry in the most holy place, beheld the ark of His testament. As they had studied the subject of the sanctuary they had come to understand the Saviour's change of ministration, and they saw that He was now officiating before the ark of God, pleading His blood in behalf of sinners. {GC 433.1}

If the tenth day of the seventh month symbolized time after 1844, would that mean that this blessing from Heaven would occur 190 years later? (day = year, month = 30 days, 6 months = 180 days, 180 days + 10 days = 190 days meaning 190 years)

The tenth day of the seventh month is the day of atonement according to the Jewish feast days. The Millerites thought Christ would come on that day. October 22, 1844. It was not a time line.