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Re: What if Jesus had failed?
[Re: Mountain Man]
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04/06/07 03:24 PM
04/06/07 03:24 PM
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According to Ellen White, "He could have sinned. He could have fallen." I think that answers your questions in your first paragraph.
Regarding the second paragraph, God did say Jesus might fail. Or, rather, that He could have failed. He said that many times through His prophet, Ellen White.
Regarding your questions about why Christ did or said what He did, what does it matter? When Jesus was Himself challenged is a similar way to how you are challenging me, He responded, in effect, if they won't believe Moses, they will not believe even if I answer your question. God has revealed the truth that Christ could have failed in the most emphatic way through a prophet. If one chooses not to believe her, then even if Christ Himself were to answer one's question, it wouldn't make any difference. That's how Jesus Christ answered the similar challenge posed to Him. You can see this in the parable of Lazarus and the Rich Man.
Those who wait for the Bridegroom's coming are to say to the people, "Behold your God." The last rays of merciful light, the last message of mercy to be given to the world, is a revelation of His character of love.
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Re: What if Jesus had failed?
[Re: Mountain Man]
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04/08/07 07:43 PM
04/08/07 07:43 PM
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Tom, You seem to thrive on the "risk" aspect of the EGW quotes, but ignore the clear "alike" in reference to the past, present, and future in the following quote: I AM means an eternal presence; the past, present, and future are alike with God. He sees the most remote events of past history and the far distant future with as clear a vision as we do those things which are transpiring daily. We know not what is before us, and if we did, it would not contribute to our eternal welfare. God gives us an opportunity to exercise faith and trust in the great I AM. . . . Our Saviour says, "Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad" (John 8:56). Fifteen hundred years before Christ laid off His royal robe, His kingly crown, and left His position of honor in the heavenly courts, assumed humanity, and walked a man among the children of men, Abraham saw His day, and was glad. "Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham? Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am" (verses 57, 58). . . . {TMK 12.2}
Why is that, Tom? I would call that selective quoting in which you ignore one quote in favour of the other as it goes contrary to your belief system.
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Re: What if Jesus had failed?
[Re: Tom]
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04/10/07 01:51 AM
04/10/07 01:51 AM
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Tom, You are so wrapped up in this risk quote thing by EGW in relation to what you think is true, that you are blind to other EGW quotes, such as the one below that Rosangela already quoted in an earlier post: "Ages before His incarnation, Christ distinctly chose His position. He foresaw His life of humiliation, His rejection and crucifixion, His victory over satanic agencies, His victory over death and the grave. He saw the world flooded with light and life, and heard the song of triumph sung by the millions rescued from the hold of Satan." {1NL 41.7}
In the above quote, even though there was a risk factor in the other EGW quote, Christ foresaw His victory over death and the grave. He foresaw that He wouldn't fail, which is really the subject of another topic here at MSDAOL.
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