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Your sin is forgiven
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06/07/07 02:25 AM
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Just want to make sure that I understand the word of God. Could you please help me to answer this question:
When we now ask God to forgive our sins, are we immediately forgiven? How about those before the cross, were their sins forgiven too the time they asked God forgiveness?
In His love
James S.
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Re: Your sin is forgiven
[Re: James Saptenno]
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06/07/07 02:41 PM
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Yes, sins are forgiven the moment we experience the gift of repentance. However, they are not "blotted out" of our record and memory until Jesus determines our eternal destiny during the investigative judgment.
1 John 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us [our] sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
Acts 3:19 Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord;
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Re: Your sin is forgiven
[Re: James Saptenno]
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06/07/07 05:40 PM
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Before the cross there was the sacrificial system, where the sinner could seek forgiveness.
Enoch and Elijah were translated and Moses was raised from the grave.
Based on these examples, I would think there was forgiveness before the cross.
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Re: Your sin is forgiven
[Re: James Saptenno]
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06/10/07 02:30 AM
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How could sin's forgiveness happen before redemption take place? If God could forgive sins before redemption take place, the Moslem are right, we didn't need Christ!
In is love
James S
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Re: Your sin is forgiven
[Re: James Saptenno]
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06/10/07 04:35 AM
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Do you believe that "redemption took place" at the cross, and not before? Trying to grasp your terminology here.
By God's grace, Arnold
1 John 5:11-13 And this is the testimony, that God gave us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. Whoever has the Son has life; whoever does not have the Son of God does not have life. I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, that you may know that you have eternal life.
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Re: Your sin is forgiven
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06/11/07 09:31 AM
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By what is our sins forgiven? By the blood of Christ or by the love of God?
In His love
James S
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Re: Your sin is forgiven
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06/11/07 02:38 PM
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If God could forgive sins before redemption take place, the Moslem are right, we didn't need Christ! God's forgiveness is based on what Christ did on the cross. Before the cross it was prospective, after the cross it is retrospective. Forgiveness is a Person and what He did. "And He Himself is the propitiation for our sins" (1 John 2:2, NKJV). Forgiveness is provisional until the final judgment. If you cease to have a living connection with Christ, your sins are credited back to you (see Matt. 18:23-35).
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Re: Your sin is forgiven
[Re: Rosangela]
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06/11/07 09:31 PM
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Perhaps debited back would be a better wording.
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Re: Your sin is forgiven
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06/11/07 10:41 PM
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By what is our sins forgiven? By the blood of Christ or by the love of God? For this is My blood of the new covenant, which is shed for many for the remission of sins. (Matthew 26:28)
And according to the law almost all things are purified with blood, and without shedding of blood there is no remission. (Hebrews 9:22) But shed blood is not all that is needed. In order for the blood to be available at all, and for it to be ministered to those who need it, the love of God plays a critical role.
By God's grace, Arnold
1 John 5:11-13 And this is the testimony, that God gave us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. Whoever has the Son has life; whoever does not have the Son of God does not have life. I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, that you may know that you have eternal life.
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Re: Your sin is forgiven
[Re: asygo]
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06/12/07 02:06 AM
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1 Corinthian 15:17 – And if Christ has not been raised, your faith is futile; you are still in your sins.
Until then, Christ resurrection, all before the cross are not forgiven yet, they are still in their sins, must wait till the blood is shed, before the shedding of the blood there is no remission of sins.
A different case for those after the cross, the blood has been shed for remission of sins, their sins are forgiven the time they repent and ask God forgiveness.
In His love
James S
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