Surely you do.


Can you honestly say that "Ex. 34 is the only place where the phrase "Ten Commandments" is used is a true statement?

Darius A. Lecointe, J.D., Ph.D., you are not one who likes to mix truth and error to confuse are you?

Let's just get this cleared up before continuing.

Is it not true that the phrase "Ten Commandments" is used in at least one other place in scripture than in Ex. 34? And you presenting Ex. 34 as the only place where the phrase "Ten Commandments" is used" is a bit misleading?

Perhaps it was not your intent to be misleading but was unaware of the content of Deuteronomy 10: 2 & 4 at the time you made the statement that, "Ex. 34 is the only place where the phrase "Ten Commandments" is used"?

Deuteronomy 10:

2And I will write on the tables the words that were in the first tables which thou brakest, and thou shalt put them in the ark.

4And he wrote on the tables, according to the first writing, the ten commandments, which the LORD spake unto you in the mount out of the midst of the fire in the day of the assembly: and the LORD gave them unto me.

crater. you are straining at gnats. Anyone who follows this discussion understands that I am referring to the association of the term Ten Commandments with a specific set of commands. You have shown that the term itself appears in Deut. 10. Why do you think that going on about it will change the fact that the commands in Ex. 34 are identified as the Ten Commandments and that they do not bear a resemblance to any other passage in the Pentateuch? I don't get your agenda.

And, Darius, we don't get your agenda either.

Darius A. Lecointe, J.D., Ph.D., I have no agenda but to call truth and error as I see it.

I will admit that I have began to wonder how far you would wiggle and slither to avoid admitting your untruthfulness of your statement that, "Ex. 34 is the only place where the phrase "Ten Commandments" is used".

I am totally interested in studying Ex. 34 further and so glad that you brought it to the attention of this forum. I am really enjoying studying this subject out for myself

I do like to study and share together but I personally have no need to debate.

Darius A. Lecointe, J.D., Ph.D., since I do have a problem where someone interjects truth and error, it makes it nearly impossible to study and share with you. I find this indeed unfortunate as I am sure you would have some interesting insights that are so unique to you.

" Why is the version in Ex. 34 completely different from any other in the Pentateuch?"

I will just share a couple of sites that I found on this subject, that I found interesting. I especially enjoyed Clarks Commentary. Make what you will of what is said. I doubt that I can add anything further.

Which ones are the REAL Ten Commandments -- Exodus 20, Exodus 34, or Deut. 5?

CLARKE'S COMMENTARY - EXODUS 34

As I had told you before, after the list given in Deut. 5, which is a repetition of the list of Ex. 20, it is said: “These words the LORD spoke to all your assembly at the mountain out of the midst of the fire, the cloud, and the thick darkness, with a loud voice; and he added no more. And he wrote them upon two tables of stone, and gave them to me” (Deut. 5:22). And Ex. 34:27 says that the “ten commandments” were those written in the tables of stone.


No, they aren’t. As I told you before, they are a mere repetition of Ex. 23.

Thou shalt worship no other god (For the Lord is a jealous god). Ex. 23:24
Thou shalt make thee no molten gods. (an additional warning made having in view the golden calf episode)
All the first-born are mine. Ex. 22:29
Six days shalt thou work, but on the seventh thou shalt rest. Ex. 23:12
The feast of unleavened bread shalt thou keep in the month when the ear is on the corn. Ex. 23:15
Thou shalt observe the feast of weeks, even of the first fruits of the wheat harvest, and the feast of ingathering at the year's end. Ex. 23:16
Thou shalt not offer the blood of my sacrifice with leavened bread. Ex. 23:18
The fat of my feast shall not remain all night until the morning. Ex. 23:18
The first of the first fruits of thy ground thou shalt bring unto the house of the Lord thy God. Ex. 23:19
Thou shalt not seethe a kid in its mother's milk. Ex. 23:19

Crater, do you have similar difficulty dealing with Jesus who told the story of the rich man and Lazarus that He knew was not a true story? It does not matter to me whether you study and share with me. I did not come here seeking to share and study with you. You are free to do whatever you wish but nothing you do will change the facts I have shared here.

Rosangela, thanks for bringing Ex. 23 to our attention. That does not address the issue of Ex. 20. If Ex. 20 is not the real Ten Commandments we need to address that.

Daryl, I was hoping you would be thrilled to discover what the Bible teaches.

Again, Darius, this is very simple.

Deut. 10:3,4
3"So I made an ark of acacia wood, hewed two tablets of stone like the first, and went up the mountain, having the two tablets in my hand.
4 "And He wrote on the tablets according to the first writing, the Ten Commandments, which the LORD had spoken to you in the mountain from the midst of the fire in the day of the assembly; and the LORD gave them to me."

Deut. 5:2-22:

2 "The LORD our God made a covenant with us in Horeb.
3 "The LORD did not make this covenant with our fathers, but with us, those who are here today, all of us who are alive.
4 "The LORD talked with you face to face on the mountain from the midst of the fire.
5 "I stood between the LORD and you at that time, to declare to you the word of the LORD; for you were afraid because of the fire, and you did not go up the mountain. He said:
6 ¶ ‘I am the LORD your God who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.
7 ‘You shall have no other gods before Me.
8 ‘You shall not make for yourself a carved image—any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth;
9 you shall not bow down to them nor serve them. For I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children to the third and fourth generations of those who hate Me,
10 but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments.
11 ‘You shall not take the name of the LORD your God in vain, for the LORD will not hold him guiltless who takes His name in vain.
12 ‘Observe the Sabbath day, to keep it holy, as the LORD your God commanded you.
13 Six days you shall labor and do all your work,
14 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the LORD your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your ox, nor your donkey, nor any of your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates, that your male servant and your female servant may rest as well as you.
15 And remember that you were a slave in the land of Egypt, and the LORD your God brought you out from there by a mighty hand and by an outstretched arm; therefore the LORD your God commanded you to keep the Sabbath day.
16 ‘Honor your father and your mother, as the LORD your God has commanded you, that your days may be long, and that it may be well with you in the land which the LORD your God is giving you.
17 ‘You shall not murder.
18 ‘You shall not commit adultery.
19 ‘You shall not steal.
20 ‘You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.
21 ‘You shall not covet your neighbor’s wife; and you shall not desire your neighbor’s house, his field, his male servant, his female servant, his ox, his donkey, or anything that is your neighbor’s.’
22 "These words the LORD spoke to all your assembly, in the mountain from the midst of the fire, the cloud, and the thick darkness, with a loud voice; and He added no more. And He wrote them on two tablets of stone and gave them to me.

Rosangela all you have done is post quotes from the Bible. You have not explained why we have different sets of commands that are entirely different. You say it is simple but you keep avoiding it.

Back to the title of thread (that's what attracted my eye!).

First, you have to define "author."