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Re: Weeds, plants out of place? [Re: crater] #91379
08/15/07 01:11 PM
08/15/07 01:11 PM
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 Originally Posted By: crater
Why do we have weeds, thistles, and thorns?

"Not one noxious plant was placed in the Lord's great garden, but after Adam and Eve sinned, poisonous herbs sprang up."

Ellen gives some more insight:

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The Curse on All Creation.--All nature is confused; for God forbade the earth to carry out the purpose He had originally designed for it. Let there be no peace to the wicked, saith the Lord. The curse of God is upon all creation. Every year it makes itself more decidedly felt (MS 76a, 1901). {1BC 1085.5}

The first curse was pronounced upon the posterity of Adam and upon the earth, because of disobedience. The second curse came upon the ground after Cain slew his brother Abel. The third most dreadful curse from God, came upon the earth at the Flood (4SG 121). {1BC 1085.6}

The land has felt the curse, more and more heavily. Before the Flood, the first leaf which fell, and was discovered upon the ground, caused those who feared God great sorrow. They mourned over it as we mourn over the loss of a dead friend. In the decaying leaf they could see an evidence of the curse, and of the decay of nature (Ibid., 155). {1BC 1085.7}

(Rom. 8:22).--The sin of man has brought the sure result,--decay, deformity, and death. Today the whole world is tainted, corrupted, stricken with mortal disease. The earth groaneth under the continual transgression of the inhabitants thereof (Letter 22, Feb. 13, 1900). {1BC 1085.8}

The Lord's curse is upon the earth, upon man, upon beast, upon the fish in the sea, and as transgression becomes almost universal the curse will be permitted to become as broad and as deep as the transgression (Letter 59, 1898). {1BC 1085.9}

Tokens of God's Continued Love.--After the transgression of Adam, God might have destroyed every opening bud and blooming flower, or He might have taken away their fragrance, so grateful to the senses. In the earth seared and marred by the curse, in the briers, the thistles, the thorns, the tares, we may read the law of condemnation; but in the delicate color and perfume of the flowers, we may learn that God still loves us, that His mercy is not wholly withdrawn from the earth (RH Nov. 8, 1898). {1BC 1085.10}

God said to Adam, and to all the descendants of Adam, In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread; for from henceforth the earth must be worked under the drawback of transgression. Thorns and briars shall it produce (MS 84, 1897).
1086 {1BC 1085.11}

There is no place upon earth where the track of the serpent is not seen and his venomous sting felt. The whole earth is defiled under the inhabitants thereof. The curse is increasing as transgression increases (Letter 22, Feb. 13, 1900). {1BC 1086.1}

Amalgamation Brought Noxious Plants.--Not one noxious plant was placed in the Lord's great garden, but after Adam and Eve sinned, poisonous herbs sprang up. In the parable of the sower the question was asked the Master, "Didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? how then hath it tares?" The Master answered, "An enemy hath done this." All tares are sown by the evil one. Every noxious herb is of his sowing, and by his ingenious methods of amalgamation he has corrupted the earth with tares (MS 65, 1899) [published in F. D. Nichol, Ellen G. White and Her Critics]. {1BC 1086.2}
I have to say that I wonder which plants are the "tares are sown by the evil one; every noxious herb is of his sowing, and by his ingenious methods of amalgamation he has corrupted the earth with tares"?

Did the adversary get involved with genetic breeding of plants to cause the thorns, the spines, and stickers on plants. Did they originally not have these items? \:\)

Re: Weeds, plants out of place? [Re: crater] #91616
08/29/07 05:51 AM
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I came across some more on the "weed" dandelion; Dandelion is known to stop the promotion of oncogenes. (When damaged or turned on, an oncogene initiates cancer). Dr. Michael Tierra L.AC., O.M.D. had the following to say on the "weed".

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A Botanical Approach to the Treatment of Cancer The greens with a bitter flavor such as dandelion and chicory more powerfully stimulate detoxification, especially from the liver. They are also potassium rich foods. They can be served steamed or lightly sautéed with a little olive or sesame oil.

Dandelion (Herba Taraxaci or Chinese, Pu Gong Ying) The whole herb is used. It Clears heat, is sweet, bitter, mild and cold with no toxicity. It is especially effective for curing female breast abscess. It goes to the Liver and Spleen. It contains taraxasterol, choline, inulin and pectin.

Interestingly Chang Minyi states that "the drug (herb) has been processed into an extract or pills and is widely used for treating various sorts of cancer." This statement seems very unsubstantiated by my experience.

The hot water extract inhibits sarcoma-180 in mice with an effective rate of 43.5%, whereas the hot water extract has no effect. The hot water extract contains a polyose substance that is anti-carcinogenic and promotes immunity.

According to Elucidation of the Materia Medica, The drug cures female breast cancer because breast abscess is distributed to the Liver channel which dominates all the body activities during menstruation." This seems to suggest that because dandelion activates liver function, it helps the liver neutralize estrogen which can activate certain cancer cells.

Re: Weeds, plants out of place? [Re: crater] #91712
09/05/07 01:02 PM
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Any experience with Stinging Nettle, to share?

Re: Weeds, plants out of place? [Re: crater] #91713
09/05/07 01:21 PM
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Yeah, it is one of the most delicious wild edible plants. It is full of vitamins, minerals, and proteins. It can be a pain to gather, but once boiled for 59 seconds it is wonderfully tasty. It is best before the flowers bloom. It can also be eaten raw when the leaves are folded properly. Mud made from rich mineral soil and charcoal and applied to the itchy bumps that form when stung helps alleviate the problem.

Re: Weeds, plants out of place? [Re: Mountain Man] #91755
09/07/07 04:37 AM
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Mountain Man, thanks for sharing about; Stinging Nettle. I have located some growing near a mountain creek this past spring, as well as some Coltsfoot. I didn't collect any at the time. I did take photo's though.

I have purchase nettle at the health food store and combine it with some other herbs for a tea blend. As you said "It is full of vitamins, minerals, and protein". It is suppose to be very nourishing for hair, skin, and nails. The fresh juice apparently has some homeostatic, styptic, anti-hemorrhage properties. The other day I came across a fairly good little article; Nettles: The Sting—"Minor"; Healing Properties—"Major" by Ingri Cassel

Re: Weeds, plants out of place? [Re: crater] #92123
10/09/07 07:08 PM
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A weed that likes to grow in the garden setting is Lambs Quarters (Chenopodium album) also know as goose foot due to the shape of the leaves.

A few months ago my mother mentioned that Dr. Neil Needly had mentioned it was high in some nutrients but she couldn't remember what. Indian Spring Herbs website gives a list of some of the nutritional components of the plant as well as a quiche recipe, (vegetarian, but not Vegan). I found another site that has much more indebth Nutritional Data for Lambs quarters

Both the seeds and leaves are suppose to be eatable. I picked some leaves from the plants that came up in my garden, I used them in a stir fry with my favorite rice noodles and must say that I enjoyed the dish. \:\)

I have read that the seeds may be ground into flour during late fall.

Anyone have any experience eating the leaves or the seeds?

Medicinally: I have also read that a poultice from the leaf can be applied to burns.

For those prone to kidney stones and arthritis, apparently a constituent of this plant, as well as in rhubarb, spinach, and swiss chard to name a few, are high in Oxalic acid

Re: Weeds, plants out of place? [Re: crater] #92126
10/09/07 10:24 PM
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Hello crater,


Yes, Have eaten lambsquarters frequently. It saved me time when working on a certain farm - less to prepare for lunch. Just grab a pita and a tomato, then pick some handfuls of the green plant at lunchtime. Don't recall cooking it. Cooking seems such a crime to inflict on healthy plants. I usually pick the tops as they are most tender.

Others have said that cooking greens rich in oxalic acid (beet greens, purslane, spinach, chard, etc.) will increase the amount or assimilation of oxalic acid. This would make sense to someone who advocates eating raw food as the Creator's first menu for man. I have yet to see the science on this though I have heard many opinions. I use nettle in tea blends.

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