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Does Blood Defile, Does Blood Cleanse, or Does Blood Do Both?
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08/17/07 06:58 PM
08/17/07 06:58 PM
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Does blood defile, or does blood cleanse, or does it both defile and cleanse?
What does the Bible say, if anything, about this?
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Re: Does Blood Defile, Does Blood Cleanse, or Does Blood Do Both?
[Re: Daryl]
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08/18/07 01:18 AM
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No time for verses now (preparing for a sermon tomorrow) but it does both, depending on the context.
By God's grace,
Arnold
1 John 5:11-13
And this is the testimony, that God gave us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. Whoever has the Son has life; whoever does not have the Son of God does not have life. I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, that you may know that you have eternal life.
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Re: Does Blood Defile, Does Blood Cleanse, or Does Blood Do Both?
[Re: asygo]
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08/18/07 08:34 AM
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Arnold, When you have the time, I will be looking for Bible texts to back up what you posted here. 
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Re: Does Blood Defile, Does Blood Cleanse, or Does Blood Do Both?
[Re: Daryl]
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08/18/07 07:34 PM
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It seems to me that blood only cleanses. Heb. 9:22. What defiles is sin.
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Re: Does Blood Defile, Does Blood Cleanse, or Does Blood Do Both?
[Re: Daryl]
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08/18/07 08:20 PM
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I think that it would depend on who's blood. The blood of the Lamb cleanses. It would appear that other blood would defile. See text: Leviticus 15 , Numbers 35:32-34, Isaiah 59:3
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Re: Does Blood Defile, Does Blood Cleanse, or Does Blood Do Both?
[Re: crater]
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08/24/07 01:51 PM
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Blood represents life, so that would agree with crater's idea that it depends on who's blood.
Those who wait for the Bridegroom's coming are to say to the people, "Behold your God." The last rays of merciful light, the last message of mercy to be given to the world, is a revelation of His character of love.
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Re: Does Blood Defile, Does Blood Cleanse, or Does Blood Do Both?
[Re: Tom]
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08/24/07 02:18 PM
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We discussed this at Prayer Meeting last Wednesday evening. The feeling there was that the blood both cleanses and defiles.
Hebrews 9:22 ASV And according to the law, I may almost say, all things are cleansed with blood, and apart from shedding of blood there is no remission.
Hebrews 9:22 KJV And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission.
Hebrews 9:22 MRC And with blood almost all things are purified, according to the Torah, and without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness.
Hebrews 9:22 says that the blood cleanses, purges, purifies. It is, therefore, obvious that the blood does this. Does the Bible say anywhere that the blood also defiles? I ask this before looking at the Bible references crater provided in relation to the "other" blood, however, I don't think I am asking about "other" blood here.
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Re: Does Blood Defile, Does Blood Cleanse, or Does Blood Do Both?
[Re: Daryl]
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08/24/07 02:45 PM
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The blood itself does not literally purify, but the symbolism conveys spiritual truth.
If you look in the O.T., you can find incidents where purification was necessary in coming in contact with certain things (which could include blood), but these were having to do with health issues. There were other rules related to blood, having to do with health issues, as well (e.g. it was forbidden to eat or drink blood).
If one thinks about the spiritual meaning of the blood in connection with the sanctuary services, I can't think of anywhere where there is the implication that blood defiles.
Those who wait for the Bridegroom's coming are to say to the people, "Behold your God." The last rays of merciful light, the last message of mercy to be given to the world, is a revelation of His character of love.
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Re: Does Blood Defile, Does Blood Cleanse, or Does Blood Do Both?
[Re: Daryl]
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08/24/07 02:50 PM
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What does Leviticus 16:16 say? To answer this I am quoted both verses 15 and 16 below:
Leviticus 16:15 Then shall he kill the goat of the sin offering, that is for the people, and bring his blood within the veil, and do with that blood as he did with the blood of the bullock, and sprinkle it upon the mercy seat, and before the mercy seat:
16 And he shall make an atonement for the holy place, because of the uncleanness of the children of Israel, and because of their transgressions in all their sins: and so shall he do for the tabernacle of the congregation, that remaineth among them in the midst of their uncleanness.
Verse 15 tells us what happened to the blood of the sacrifice. Verse 16 tells us what this blood did. Somebody said the following in another forum outside of MSDAOL:
If we look at the book of Hebrews 9:22 the Bible tells us that the blood cleanses us from sin and without the shedding of blood there is no remission of sin. However, in Leviticus 16:16 we know that the transgressions were transferred there by the blood shed for sinners thru out the year to the sanctuary until the day of atonement when that ceremony cleansed the sanctuary. So in that respect it was a defiling agent to the sanctuary itself for a year.
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Re: Does Blood Defile, Does Blood Cleanse, or Does Blood Do Both?
[Re: Daryl]
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08/24/07 02:57 PM
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The sanctuary needs to be cleansed because of the transgressions of the people of Israel. Isn't that the point? Does it need to be cleansed because of blood? I'm not understanding why that would be the case. It seems to me rather to be the case that the blood is what cleanses.
In plain words, Jesus Christ cleanses us from our sins. That seems to be the spiritual message. If the blood represents the life of Christ, how could it defile? Or are you suggesting that blood represents our transgressions?
Those who wait for the Bridegroom's coming are to say to the people, "Behold your God." The last rays of merciful light, the last message of mercy to be given to the world, is a revelation of His character of love.
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