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The Ten Commandments - Which One?
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12/04/07 02:04 PM
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It seems that The Ten Commandments are found in two different places in the Bible, therefore, I have a few questions that I hope we can answer: 1 - Are they both saying the same thing in those two references? 2 - Are the two different lists the same, or are they different? 3 - If the same, in what way are they the same? 4 - If they are different, in what way are they different? 5 - Which one was written on the Two Tables of Stone? There may be more questions, however, this should be a good beginning for our search for truth and understanding. Also, as an aid to our discussion, I did a ten commandments word search and came up with the following:
Exodus 34:28 And he was there with the LORD forty days and forty nights; he did neither eat bread, nor drink water. And he wrote upon the tables the words of the covenant, the ten commandments.
Deut. 4:13 And he declared unto you his covenant, which he commanded you to perform, even ten commandments; and he wrote them upon two tables of stone.
Deut 10:4 And he wrote on the tables, according to the first writing, the ten commandments, which the LORD spoke unto you in the mount out of the midst of the fire in the day of the assembly: and the LORD gave them unto me.
5 And I turned myself and came down from the mount, and put the tables in the ark which I had made; and there they be, as the LORD commanded me.
There are also two places where the ten commandments were actually listed. I am quoting the beginning of each of the two listings:
Exodus 20:3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
Deut. 5:7 Thou shalt have none other gods before me.
All of this should help us to answer the questions I have asked.
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Re: The Ten Commandments - Which One?
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12/04/07 05:00 PM
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Dr. Sigfried Horn attended a Hebrew school as a child because they had off on Sabbath. Thus he mastered the Hebrew language and Hebrew thinking.
He once told us that the Ten Commandments were really called the 10 *words* of God. Those who have dealt with Hebrew grammar realize that often one word in Hebrew needs a whole sentence in other languages.
He suggested that God had only graven 10 words on the tables of stone. Other renditions include explanations or commentaries.
I don´t know if Dr. Horn could be counted on for the final word here?
"Here is a last piece of advice. If you believe in goodness and if you value the approval of God, fix your minds on the things which are holy and right and pure and beautiful and good. Model your conduct on what you have learned from me, on what I have told you and shown you, and you will find the God of peace will be with you."
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Re: The Ten Commandments - Which One?
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12/05/07 09:41 PM
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There are also two places where the ten commandments were actually listed. I am quoting the beginning of each of the two listings:
Exodus 20:3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
Deut. 5:7 Thou shalt have none other gods before me.
It looks like the 4th Commandment is significantly different.
By God's grace,
Arnold
There is no excuse for any one in taking the position that there is no more truth to be revealed, and that all our expositions of Scripture are without an error. The fact that certain doctrines have been held as truth for many years by our people, is not a proof that our ideas are infallible. Age will not make error into truth, and truth can afford to be fair. No true doctrine will lose anything by close investigation. RH 12/20/1892
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Re: The Ten Commandments - Which One?
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There are also two places where the ten commandments were actually listed. I am quoting the beginning of each of the two listings:
Exodus 20:3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
Deut. 5:7 Thou shalt have none other gods before me.
It looks like the 4th Commandment is significantly different. Does that indicate that these are different commentaries to the word of God on the stones?
Last edited by Johann; 12/05/07 11:46 PM.
"Here is a last piece of advice. If you believe in goodness and if you value the approval of God, fix your minds on the things which are holy and right and pure and beautiful and good. Model your conduct on what you have learned from me, on what I have told you and shown you, and you will find the God of peace will be with you."
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Re: The Ten Commandments - Which One?
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12/06/07 11:25 PM
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Does that indicate that these are different commentaries to the word of God on the stones? Possibly. Or the Exodus version was on the stones, while the Deut version was commentary by Moses.
By God's grace,
Arnold
There is no excuse for any one in taking the position that there is no more truth to be revealed, and that all our expositions of Scripture are without an error. The fact that certain doctrines have been held as truth for many years by our people, is not a proof that our ideas are infallible. Age will not make error into truth, and truth can afford to be fair. No true doctrine will lose anything by close investigation. RH 12/20/1892
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Re: The Ten Commandments - Which One?
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12/08/07 12:34 AM
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How can we know which one was written on the tables of stone?
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Re: The Ten Commandments - Which One?
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12/08/07 12:36 AM
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I am also wondering why, if they are both considered as the ten commandments, they are different, especially, as asygo stated, the 4th commandment is significantly different?
Perhaps we should do a comparative analysis of both?
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Re: The Ten Commandments - Which One?
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12/08/07 10:16 PM
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Does it in any way lessen the validity and importance of Scripture to see passages seemingly quoted elsewhere with different wordings? Compare OT quotations in the NT that are worded differently. Are they quoted from memory? Pointing out the same truth from a different angle?
Were circumstances different when Deut. was written making it feasible to word the commandments with different words? Can divine truth only be expressed with particular words?
Just asking some questions. . .
Last edited by Johann; 12/08/07 10:18 PM.
"Here is a last piece of advice. If you believe in goodness and if you value the approval of God, fix your minds on the things which are holy and right and pure and beautiful and good. Model your conduct on what you have learned from me, on what I have told you and shown you, and you will find the God of peace will be with you."
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Re: The Ten Commandments - Which One?
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12/09/07 03:10 PM
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One way to see if we can answer those questions is to do a comparision of the two different listings of the Ten Commandments.
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Re: The Ten Commandments - Which One?
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12/09/07 06:22 PM
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How can we know which one was written on the tables of stone? I don't know if we can know for sure, but the proximity to the event is a clue, I think. It can also be that both versions include commentary from Moses.
By God's grace,
Arnold
There is no excuse for any one in taking the position that there is no more truth to be revealed, and that all our expositions of Scripture are without an error. The fact that certain doctrines have been held as truth for many years by our people, is not a proof that our ideas are infallible. Age will not make error into truth, and truth can afford to be fair. No true doctrine will lose anything by close investigation. RH 12/20/1892
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