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Re: The Ten Commandments - Which One?
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12/18/07 11:01 PM
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These are the two listings of the First Commandment:
Exodus 20:3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
Deut. 5:7 Thou shalt have none other gods before me.
The first one in the list says "....no other...." The second one in the list says "....none other...." Not really any tangible difference in the First Commandment.
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Re: The Ten Commandments - Which One?
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12/18/07 11:23 PM
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These are the two listings of the Second Commandment:
Exodus 20:4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:
5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;
6 And showing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.
Deut 5:8 Thou shalt not make thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the waters beneath the earth:
9 Thou shalt not bow down thyself unto them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me,
10 And showing mercy unto thousands of them that love me and keep my commandments.
There also isn't any real tangible difference between the two listings of the Second Commandment.
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Re: The Ten Commandments - Which One?
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12/19/07 05:06 AM
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If you're talking both Exodus and Deut, then neither can be a transcription since they are not identical. Moses must have added commentary to at least one version.
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Re: The Ten Commandments - Which One?
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The comparison is important, but if we believe the Word of God is inspired we must also take into account the whole story of how the ten commandments came into existence as recorded in Exodus.
Which came first, the proclamation of the commandments by God as recorded in Ex. 20, or making and inscribing the stones by God?
God was not just reading what He had inscribed on stone, but He was making a verbal proclamation to be heard by the whole people in Ex. 20. The stones were made much later.
Does it state anywhere that the writing on the stone was identical to the verbal proclamation in Ex. 20?
Could the difference in Deut. 5 indicate that both could include a commentary?
Help me find it, if it is there. . .
Last edited by Johann; 12/19/07 03:10 PM.
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Re: The Ten Commandments - Which One?
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12/19/07 08:22 PM
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It seems clear that God was speaking in Exodus. And God spoke all these words, saying... (Exodus 20:1) Since it says that "God spoke all these words," is it reasonable to believe that He actually spoke everything in Exodus 20:2-17? If so, then we can rule out the possibility of Moses adding commentary to it. But does that mean that everything there was written on the two tablets? Not necessarily, but it's possible. The ark, which contained the tablets, was 2.7'x2.7'x4.5' at most. It's certainly possible to write that entire passage on two tablets that would fit in the ark, written on both sides. And I'm sure God could write in a small font if necessary.
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Re: The Ten Commandments - Which One?
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12/19/07 08:24 PM
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If there's any commentary by Moses, it looks like Deut 5 is the one that has it.
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Re: The Ten Commandments - Which One?
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Are we ruling out the possibility that God is able to give a commentary?
"Here is a last piece of advice. If you believe in goodness and if you value the approval of God, fix your minds on the things which are holy and right and pure and beautiful and good. Model your conduct on what you have learned from me, on what I have told you and shown you, and you will find the God of peace will be with you."
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Re: The Ten Commandments - Which One?
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It seems clear that God was speaking in Exodus. And God spoke all these words, saying... (Exodus 20:1) Since it says that "God spoke all these words," is it reasonable to believe that He actually spoke everything in Exodus 20:2-17? If so, then we can rule out the possibility of Moses adding commentary to it. But does that mean that everything there was written on the two tablets? Not necessarily, but it's possible. The ark, which contained the tablets, was 2.7'x2.7'x4.5' at most. It's certainly possible to write that entire passage on two tablets that would fit in the ark, written on both sides. And I'm sure God could write in a small font if necessary. Would such boulders be heavy on the shoulders of the priests? How many did it take to carry the ark? Would God grant Moses the muscles required to carry such boulders down the mountain alone? They would weigh considerable more than Ellen White's Bible.
"Here is a last piece of advice. If you believe in goodness and if you value the approval of God, fix your minds on the things which are holy and right and pure and beautiful and good. Model your conduct on what you have learned from me, on what I have told you and shown you, and you will find the God of peace will be with you."
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Re: The Ten Commandments - Which One?
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12/19/07 10:00 PM
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Are we ruling out the possibility that God is able to give a commentary? Interesting thought. But commentary by God Himself would carry as much weight as the item being commented upon. IOW, God's commentary is as much God's word as anything can be. So if we take "in six days the Lord made heaven and earth" as God's commentary, it is as immutable as "keep the Sabbath holy."
By God's grace,
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