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Re: Review: God of the possible [Re: Mountain Man] #93581
12/17/07 10:06 PM
12/17/07 10:06 PM
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MM, you didn't respond to my post. For example, I've trying to get an answer from you for about a week now to the first question on my post.

The propositions are assuming that God is as you are suggesting, so your criticism is ill-founded.


Those who wait for the Bridegroom's coming are to say to the people, "Behold your God." The last rays of merciful light, the last message of mercy to be given to the world, is a revelation of His character of love.
Re: Review: God of the possible [Re: Tom] #93591
12/17/07 11:51 PM
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TE: You would agree that God knows reality as it is, correct?

MM: God simply knows the truth as it really is. You are I disagree as to how and why.

TE: You would agree that God knows reality as it is, correct?

MM: What is the difference between truth and reality? In this context, aren't they one and the same?

Re: Review: God of the possible [Re: Mountain Man] #93594
12/18/07 12:04 AM
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If there's no difference, why not just answer the question, "yes."


Those who wait for the Bridegroom's coming are to say to the people, "Behold your God." The last rays of merciful light, the last message of mercy to be given to the world, is a revelation of His character of love.
Re: Review: God of the possible [Re: Tom] #93607
12/18/07 07:04 AM
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Somehow I come to think of Platons Cave when reading the past pages of this discussion. That reality as it really is is unrelated to anything substantial on earth and what we percieve as reality is merely a broken shadow on a jagged stone wall. Somehow it fits, if we are to define God after Platons definition of deity, it seems fitting to define ourselves by Platons thoughts too.

If we start to give words separate meanings depending on if we apply them to us or to God, discussion becomes pointless. If we talk about God in time but with the condition that time in Gods perspective is not seconds, minutes and hours but some entity that we cannot understand. Then the word time becomes empty when we use it in relation to God, no more than spacefiller.


Galatians 2
21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.

It is so hazardous to take here a little and there a little. If you put the right little's together you can make the bible teach anything you wish. //Graham Maxwell
Re: Review: God of the possible [Re: vastergotland] #93612
12/18/07 02:53 PM
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Agreed Thomas.

It's interesting that in this mode of thought, one feels free to construct "realities" which need not be tied to logic, which also makes conversation challenging.


Those who wait for the Bridegroom's coming are to say to the people, "Behold your God." The last rays of merciful light, the last message of mercy to be given to the world, is a revelation of His character of love.
Re: Review: God of the possible [Re: Tom] #93674
12/20/07 09:08 PM
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Okay, Tom, God knows the truth as it really is, He knows reality as it really is. What is your point?

Re: Review: God of the possible [Re: Mountain Man] #93679
12/21/07 05:44 AM
12/21/07 05:44 AM
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Hey, that only took about two weeks!

My point is that if God knows reality as it is, and what God knows is that everything is happening now, then, in reality, everything is happening now.


Those who wait for the Bridegroom's coming are to say to the people, "Behold your God." The last rays of merciful light, the last message of mercy to be given to the world, is a revelation of His character of love.
Re: Review: God of the possible [Re: Tom] #93699
12/21/07 04:22 PM
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Unless it isn't like that for God. He is big enough to know and experience everything now in the same way He can be everywhere at the same time.

Re: Review: God of the possible [Re: Mountain Man] #93704
12/21/07 04:54 PM
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Can Christ also be everywhere at the same time?


In His Love, Mercy & Grace,

Daryl smile

John 8:32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

http://www.christians-discuss.com/forum/index.php
Re: Review: God of the possible [Re: Daryl] #93718
12/21/07 07:09 PM
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Unless it isn't like that for God.


You were the one who said it was. I was quoting you.

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He is big enough to know and experience everything now in the same way He can be everywhere at the same time.


Experiencing everything as happening now doesn't have anything to do with being big. "Big" has nothing to do with "time."


Those who wait for the Bridegroom's coming are to say to the people, "Behold your God." The last rays of merciful light, the last message of mercy to be given to the world, is a revelation of His character of love.
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