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Re: Mormons & Polygamy [Re: Darius] #94933
01/25/08 04:05 PM
01/25/08 04:05 PM
Rosangela  Offline
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Brazil
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The problem is not polygamy but the way it was practiced among Mormons.

The problem is not polygamy? Is there a good way to practice polygamy, so that it brings hapinness to people?

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The film erred in suggesting that polygamy was developed by Smith.

In western countries in modern times yes, it was developed by Smith.

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From an objective standpoint I was struck at the indoctrination of children that goes on in religious communities, including our own.

The problem is not indoctrination, but wrong indoctrination.

Re: Mormons & Polygamy [Re: Rosangela] #94934
01/25/08 04:13 PM
01/25/08 04:13 PM
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You did not really try to address the issues. The major problem with Mormon polygamy is the way in which teenage girls are preyed upon. That is not a polygamy issue. When you find an indoctrinator who believes his indoctrination is wrong let me know.


Darius A. Lecointe, J.D., Ph.D.
No weapon formed against me shall prosper.
Re: Mormons & Polygamy [Re: Darius] #94939
01/25/08 06:43 PM
01/25/08 06:43 PM
Rosangela  Offline
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The major problem with Mormon polygamy is the way in which teenage girls are preyed upon.

There are many major problems. The wives' feelings of anger for having to share their husbands with other women. Fathers' s exual abuse of children. The incapacity to reconcile polygamy as a divine order with God's love.

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When you find an indoctrinator who believes his indoctrination is wrong let me know.

Well, do you consider that a Christian upbringing is a kind of indoctrination?

Re: Mormons & Polygamy [Re: Rosangela] #94942
01/25/08 07:24 PM
01/25/08 07:24 PM
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You are blinding your eyes to the context. These were young women who had no say in whether they would be in a polygamous relationship or not. Without accountability there is always abuse.

I asked a colleague of mine from Oman for her views on plural marriages, which is allowed in Islam. She praised the practice. One important difference from Joseph Smith's brand is the fact that the first wife must have a say as to who the other wives will be.


Darius A. Lecointe, J.D., Ph.D.
No weapon formed against me shall prosper.
Re: Mormons & Polygamy [Re: Darius] #94943
01/25/08 07:42 PM
01/25/08 07:42 PM
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 Originally Posted By: Darius
The major problem with Mormon polygamy is the way in which teenage girls are preyed upon.

If my wife was looking around to find an additional husband, I don't think it would matter to me whether the other guy was a teenager or a geezer; there would be much bigger issues. My wife would probably feel the same way.

Listen to the ladies and you'll hear that their problem was not that the new wife was a teenager. Their problem was that the new wife existed.

If you have a wife, ask her if she would mind if you got yourself a teenager for a second wife. If you survive the reaction, ask her if she would feel better about it if your second wife was older and more mature.


By God's grace,
Arnold

1 John 5:11-13
And this is the testimony, that God gave us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. Whoever has the Son has life; whoever does not have the Son of God does not have life. I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, that you may know that you have eternal life.
Re: Mormons & Polygamy [Re: asygo] #94944
01/25/08 08:55 PM
01/25/08 08:55 PM
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I should not be surprised at these responses. People believe what they want to believe. I prefer to be driven by scholarship rather then sectarian biases.


Darius A. Lecointe, J.D., Ph.D.
No weapon formed against me shall prosper.
Re: Mormons & Polygamy [Re: Darius] #94945
01/25/08 09:07 PM
01/25/08 09:07 PM
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Well played Darius, I agree. People believe what they want, and your perception IS your reality! Just as we are super devout fundamentalist's, so are they. We both started our chruch's here in America, we are both considered by many to be "cult's", and on the outskirt's of "normal" christianity. I don't think that is right, but I DO know that's how many people feel about us.

Re: Mormons & Polygamy [Re: fun2believe] #94952
01/26/08 12:11 AM
01/26/08 12:11 AM
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There are quite a few similarities, including the claims that the "mainline" church has been unfaithful to the old beliefs.


By God's grace,
Arnold

1 John 5:11-13
And this is the testimony, that God gave us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. Whoever has the Son has life; whoever does not have the Son of God does not have life. I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, that you may know that you have eternal life.
Re: Mormons & Polygamy [Re: Rosangela] #94964
01/26/08 08:24 AM
01/26/08 08:24 AM
Tammy Roesch  Offline OP
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Posts: 562
North East OHIO
 Originally Posted By: Rosangela
Tammy,

Thank you very much for the link. I just finished watching it, and found it indeed very enlightening. It helped me to finally understand the question of polygamy among the mormons. Thanks again.

Rosangela.


You are welcome, Rosangela! I am thinking on calling the company who makes the DVD and seeing if I were to buy a quantity, if they would give me a discount....I would like to put this DVD in Public Libraries for people to take home and watch....Perhaps a Mormon would take it home, and it would make them rethink their position...or give them the courage to leave the church.


Christ is waiting with longing desire for the manifestation of Himself in His church. When the character of Christ shall be perfectly reproduced in His people, then He will come to claim them as His own. {COL 69}

Re: Mormons & Polygamy [Re: Darius] #94965
01/26/08 08:28 AM
01/26/08 08:28 AM
Tammy Roesch  Offline OP
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Joined: Feb 2006
Posts: 562
North East OHIO
 Originally Posted By: Darius
You did not really try to address the issues. The major problem with Mormon polygamy is the way in which teenage girls are preyed upon. That is not a polygamy issue. When you find an indoctrinator who believes his indoctrination is wrong let me know.


It is hard for me to believe you have a "Ph.D." after your name, after reading your responses on this topic. I hope you don't have a wife, and if you do, I feel sorry for her.


Christ is waiting with longing desire for the manifestation of Himself in His church. When the character of Christ shall be perfectly reproduced in His people, then He will come to claim them as His own. {COL 69}

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