James, you have been trying to convince us for some time now that the law was abolished on the cross. Your arguments and logic are so contrary to the SDA message that I'm surprised the moderators tolerate your posts. Your thoughts and ideas compromise the integrity of MSDAOL.

Exo 16:16 This [is] the thing which the LORD hath commanded, Gather of it every man according to his eating, an omer for every man, [according to] the number of your persons; take ye every man for [them] which [are] in his tents.
Exo 16:17 And the children of Israel did so, and gathered, some more, some less.
Exo 16:18 And when they did mete [it] with an omer, he that gathered much had nothing over, and he that gathered little had no lack; they gathered every man according to his eating.
Exo 16:19 And Moses said, Let no man leave of it till the morning.
Exo 16:20 Notwithstanding they hearkened not unto Moses; but some of them left of it until the morning, and it bred worms, and stank: and Moses was wroth with them.
Exo 16:21 And they gathered it every morning, every man according to his eating: and when the sun waxed hot, it melted.
Exo 16:22 And it came to pass, [that] on the sixth day they gathered twice as much bread, two omers for one [man]: and all the rulers of the congregation came and told Moses.
Exo 16:23 And he said unto them, This [is that] which the LORD hath said, To morrow [is] the rest of the holy sabbath unto the LORD: bake [that] which ye will bake [to day], and seethe that ye will seethe; and that which remaineth over lay up for you to be kept until the morning.
Exo 16:24 And they laid it up till the morning, as Moses bade: and it did not stink, neither was there any worm therein.
Exo 16:25 And Moses said, Eat that to day; for to day [is] a sabbath unto the LORD: to day ye shall not find it in the field.
Exo 16:26 Six days ye shall gather it; but on the seventh day, [which is] the sabbath, in it there shall be none.
Exo 16:27 And it came to pass, [that] there went out [some] of the people on the seventh day for to gather, and they found none.
Exo 16:28 And the LORD said unto Moses, How long refuse ye to keep my commandments and my laws?
Exo 16:29 See, for that the LORD hath given you the sabbath, therefore he giveth you on the sixth day the bread of two days; abide ye every man in his place, let no man go out of his place on the seventh day.
Exo 16:30 So the people rested on the seventh day.

Patriarchs and Prophets----PG- 296

In the circumstances connected with the giving of the manna, we have conclusive evidence that the Sabbath was not instituted, as many claim, when the law was given at Sinai. Before the
Israelites came to Sinai they understood the Sabbath to be obligatory upon them. In being obliged to gather every Friday a double portion of manna in preparation for the Sabbath, when
none would fall, the sacred nature of the day of rest was continually impressed upon them. And when some of the people [297] went out on the Sabbath to gather manna, the Lord asked, "How
long refuse ye to keep My commandments and My laws?"

Charlene thank you for that scripture from God's Word and the quote from God's Messenger. How can anyone go contrary to that? In order to do so would be going against God.

Amen to what both Charlene posted in response to my post, and to what Avalee posted in response to both our posts!

I don't believe it can be said any clearer than that!

Anybody who doesn't see the truth of the existence of the law and the commandments as shown regarding the Sabbath prior to the 10 Commandments being given at Sinai must have their head buried in the sand refusing to see and to accept the truth.

Daryl.

No, the Scriptures did NOT tell me that there wasn't any law prior to Sinai. What Bible are you reading from?

And there was a commandment referring to Sabbath keeping prior to Sinai as clearly shown in the gathering of the manna experience. Check your Bible out on that one before telling me that the Bible said that there wasn't any Sabbath keeping or observation prior to the 10 Commandments being given at Sinai. Don't you know that the 10 Commandments are simply a summary of all the laws that have been in existence long before Sinai?

Unquote.

I don’t want to debate you, let’s the Bible clarify the matter to you.

What do you thinks about these verses:

Romans 5:13 - for before the law was given, sin was in the world. But sin is not taken into account when there is no law

Galatians 3:17-19.
17What I mean is this: The law, introduced 430 years later, does not set aside the covenant previously established by God and thus do away with the promise. 18For if the inheritance depends on the law, then it no longer depends on a promise; but God in his grace gave it to Abraham through a promise.
19What, then, was the purpose of the law? It was added because of transgressions until the Seed to whom the promise referred had come. The law was put into effect through angels by a mediator.

It so clearly written here that the law WAS PUT IN EFFECT at Sinai through Moses as a mediator of men, and will remain effective TILL THE SEED come (Jesus Christ).

I have clarified in all my postings in this forum to support the view of the bible that the law exist only from Sinai till the cross.

In His love

James S

Mike.
James, you have been trying to convince us for some time now that the law was abolished on the cross. Your arguments and logic are so contrary to the SDA message that I'm surprised the moderators tolerate your posts. Your thoughts and ideas compromise the integrity of MSDAOL.

Unquote.

Of course it is, but what is presented is the truth of the Gospel of Christ, only since people never hear this presentation which is alien to what they have been taught, it become annoying. But would you live with falsehood or the truth?

In His love

James S

Daryl.

And there was a commandment referring to Sabbath keeping prior to Sinai as clearly shown in the gathering of the manna experience. Check your Bible out on that one before telling me that the Bible said that there wasn't any Sabbath keeping or observation prior to the 10 Commandments being given at Sinai. Don't you know that the 10 Commandments are simply a summary of all the laws that have been in existence long before Sinai?

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If the law was not made in effect by making it a written law, it could never judges and condemns men. If sinful men on earth know and understand the truth that a spoken commandment has no legal right over men, how much more God. If a spoken commandment could judge men and condemn them for their transgressions, then the law-giver is a tyrant.

Sabbath law and other commandments contained in the Ten Commandment would never be a law that has the legal right over men if it is not made in written, God knew this, that’s why he made it written so that it became legal. Otherwise he has no basic reason whatsoever that is legal to judge men and saved them through Christ redemption.

Sabbath law and other laws given in written to mankind was a part of his great concept of salvation and was never the intention to made it has a legal existence till the end of the world. It was ended in Christ t the cross, it was designated for only a period of time, from Sinai till Jesus Christ (Luke 16:16).

From then on, Christ is the only way to approach the Father in heaven, the law was behind as it purposed was to lead Israel that was chosen among men to Christ. What is between Christ and the Father in heaven is faith by remaining in him. Faith is not a parallel way, because the mediator is Christ, but the law if it still exist become a parallel way since you must live according to it otherwise you will not be in heaven.

In fact, the truth is that the law after the cross only leads to condemnation and death although it was once a way that lead to Christ (Galatians 3:24). No wonder Paul said that the law was a ministry of condemnation and death (2 Corinthians 3:6-9) and substituted with the ministry of the Spirit, which gives life (Romans 7:6).

It is time to wake up and get to know the truth of the Gospel of Christ.

In His love

James S.

[ December 01, 2002, 01:17 AM: Message edited by: James Saptenno ]

Mike.
James, you have been trying to convince us for some time now that the law was abolished on the cross. Your arguments and logic are so contrary to the SDA message that I'm surprised the moderators tolerate your posts. Your thoughts and ideas compromise the integrity of MSDAOL.

Unquote.

Is this a sign of a man that is afraid to hear “the truth”?

Is this Forum a forum “to spread the truth” or “to seek the truth”?

If you are really sure that you have the truth, then defense it against any attack, otherwise you are just a pride man that closed his ears and ignore any discussion that is against your view because you think you have all the truth.

In His love

James S.

Forum Moderators.

Thanks to allowing me to share an alien gospel, nothing is forced here, just read it and share your knowledge except if you are satisfied with what you know and wont to hear anything new.

Who knows that I am sharing the “Gospel of Christ”, which is alien to the readers here and will help to save many souls at the end.

I have nothing to loose, but I'm sure you loose many.

In His love

James S

James, your ideas regarding the law before Sinai and after the cross are not new. Catholics and Protestants have been advocating variations of it way before you or I were born.

What is new is that you claim to be sharing a new gospel, which is not new at all. You believe we are wrong in our understanding of the law of God, and yet our ideas are clearly supported by the Bible and the SOP, something you seem to reject, the SOP, that is.

Rev 12:17
And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

As you can read, it is the dragon that is at war with God's commandment keeping Church. Beware, James, when and where you roar against those who follow the example of Jesus, lest ye be found fighting against God.

[ December 02, 2002, 11:54 AM: Message edited by: Mike Lowe ]