Hi Thomas (much easier to spell!)



There's no good way to tell right now, is there?

As for the Ellen White quote mentioned by Rosangela, we can't really know what she meant either, can we? After all, she didn't say that no dinosaurs were on the ark.

That dinosaurs apparently survived the flood is hardly at question for anyone who believes in a world-wide flood as well as the evidence of fossilized tracks and whole dinosaur skeletons. (There's also evidence that great numbers of them perished through a catastrophic flood, which I believe to the theflood.)

Inga

Thomas, who "created" Dolly (the cloned sheep)?

Inga, the species of animals that did not enter the ark died, became extinct. God guided the animal families into the ark. Has extinction of these families occurred since the flood? I realize certain species have become extinct, but what about families?

Pardon my butting in here, but it seems to me you would have to define what you mean by "family" in order for your question to be answered.

If the dinosaurs were alive, and killed by the flood, and their fossils preserved, that would be evidence they were alive at the time of the flood, it seems to me. How are the fossilized tracks and whole dinosaur skeletons evidence that they survived the flood?

Dolly was a sheep. Sheep were created by God. At most you could argue that man copied that which God created. The day man creates some animal that is no longer within any of the known families, you will have a point. But Dolly is not it.

I guess it is always a possibility that God did not take two of every living creature aboard the ark. That not every kind of animal was represented. But then this following quote cannot at the same time be true.

19 You are to bring into the ark two of all living creatures, male and female, to keep them alive with you. 20 Two of every kind of bird, of every kind of animal and of every kind of creature that moves along the ground will come to you to be kept alive. 21 You are to take every kind of food that is to be eaten and store it away as food for you and for them."
22 Noah did everything just as God commanded him.

So which is it? Is this text true or is it only approximately true or is it parable/fable?

Thomas, I believe, based on the fossil record and the SOP quotes Rosangela posted, that the antediluvians figured out a way to create new kinds of animals, the "confused species", through a process of amalgamation. Perhaps they tweaked the DNA gene pool? I dunno. They died in the Flood for the simple fact God did not guide them onto the Ark. He only led the original species into the Ark.

Tom, by "families" I mean the original kinds of animals God created, as opposed to the many different species that have evolved from them. For example, God originally created one pair of canines. He guided one pair of this original creation onto the Ark. Since the Flood, many different species have evolved from the original creation.

So, my question is - Has any extinction of the original species occurred since the Flood? We know the dinosaurs, the "confused species", did not survive the Flood, which means they were not part of the animals God created in the beginning, otherwise He would have guided them onto the Ark (the way the Bible describes it).

Also, given the size of the Ark and the length of time they were in it, it seems reasonable to say God did not create very many different species, otherwise there would not have been enough room for them and the food to feed them for a year. Another point, Adam named all the animals in less than a day, which means there weren't very many different species.

After reading MM's posts about confused species I have to wonder who is confused. It is amazing the ridiculous explanations we have to concoct to defend what cannot be defended.

MM, if by canines, you mean dogs, that's just one species, Canis lupus familiaris. Wolfs are also canines, so if only one pair of canines was taken on the ark, that would be a pair of wolves. Is that what you are saying?

If family means kinds from Genesis, then what you're really asking is if any original kind has gone extinct. It also seems you are using the word "species" in the same way. For example:



You're really talking about kinds here too, right?

It seems you're trying to make me say something I didn't say. I did notsay that "fossilized track and whole dinosaur skeletons are evidence that they survived the flood."

I said that for those of us who believe in both the flood and the evidence of science, it is apparent that dinosaurs survived the flood. It would depend on where these were found. But that statement is probably a little stronger than I should have made it.

I think it is likely that dinosaurs survived the flood, due to nesting sites apparently being formed on top of flood deposits. And some dinosaur tracks are in places where they could have been made after the flood. However, the evidence is not conclusive. Perhaps we'll never know until the hereafter.

Those who believe that dinosaurs may have survived the flood see that conditions after the flood became increasingly less favorable to their survival so that they eventually became extinct, the same as many other life forms.