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Re: Is the story of the world wide flood a parabel or reality? [Re: Rosangela] #95525
02/10/08 06:26 PM
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 Originally Posted By: Rosangela
This passage throws additional lignt on "amagamation":

"Christ never planted the seeds of death in the system. Satan planted these seeds when he tempted Adam to eat of the tree of knowledge which meant disobedience to God. Not one noxious plant was placed in the Lord's great garden, but after Adam and Eve sinned, poisonous herbs sprang up. . . . All tares are sown by the evil one. Every noxious herb is of his sowing, and by his ingenious methods of amalgamation he has corrupted the earth with tares." [Selected Messages, book 2, p. 288]
Do you seriously believe that? This is worse than the evolutionist suggest about the origins of life. All of a sudden these new plants just sprang up. Give me a break.


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No weapon formed against me shall prosper.
Re: Is the story of the world wide flood a parabel or reality? [Re: Daryl] #95526
02/10/08 06:30 PM
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 Originally Posted By: Daryl Fawcett
I agree that any statements like this should be backed up with a reference by whoever makes these kind of statements.
But you came at me because I am the one you disagree with. I don't have to provide any support for what is obvious and you should be aware of that. If the dinosaurs existed while man was alive and had to be killed because man was to lose strength it must have been because God had not problems with man controlling them.


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Re: Is the story of the world wide flood a parabel or reality? [Re: vastergotland] #95527
02/10/08 06:31 PM
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We may also consider all the large animals that exists today which man are too feeble to control. There is no man alive who can control a grown alive crocodile. There is no man alive who can control a grown alive hippotamous.

Of course no man can control any ferocious animal without a weapon, but with weapons this is feasible.

"We know from Genesis, moreover, that pre-Flood man was no ignorant savage. With metal forging from the earliest times (Genesis 4:22), there would have been ample technological scope for man to comfortably exercise dominion over these raptors." http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v16/i1/dinosaurs.asp

However, it would become increasingly difficult for a physically and intellectually weaker race to control animals like those described here:

"The tallest and heaviest dinosaur known from good skeletons is Brachiosaurus brancai (also known as Giraffatitan). Its remains were discovered in Tanzania between 1907–12. Bones from multiple similarly-sized individuals were incorporated into the skeleton now mounted and on display at the Humboldt Museum of Berlin;[37] this mount is 12 meters (39 ft) tall and 22.5 meters (74 ft) long, and would have belonged to an animal that weighed between 30,000 and 60,000 kilograms (70,000 and 130,000 lb). The longest complete dinosaur is the 27 m (89 ft) long Diplodocus, which was discovered in Wyoming in the United States and displayed in Pittsburgh's Carnegie Natural History Museum in 1907." Wiki

Although I agree with Inga we can't affirm that all dinosaurs perished in the flood, I would again mention that the fact that a whole subclass, or superorder (I've not yet reached a conclusion \:\) ) was extinct deeply intrigues scientists.

Re: Is the story of the world wide flood a parabel or reality? [Re: Darius] #95528
02/10/08 06:44 PM
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Do you seriously believe that? This is worse than the evolutionist suggest about the origins of life. All of a sudden these new plants just sprang up. Give me a break.

Have you ever heard about genetic manipulation and genetic engeneering?

Re: Is the story of the world wide flood a parabel or reality? [Re: Rosangela] #95529
02/10/08 06:51 PM
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Darius' arrogance and disrespect is very apparent here, therefore, Darius' posting privileges have just been removed from this particular forum of MSDAOL, especially while the last few posts he made here are being reviewed by staff.


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Re: Is the story of the world wide flood a parabel or reality? [Re: Rosangela] #95530
02/10/08 07:08 PM
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 Originally Posted By: Rosangela
This passage throws additional lignt on "amalgamation":

"Christ never planted the seeds of death in the system. Satan planted these seeds when he tempted Adam to eat of the tree of knowledge which meant disobedience to God. Not one noxious plant was placed in the Lord's great garden, but after Adam and Eve sinned, poisonous herbs sprang up. . . . All tares are sown by the evil one. Every noxious herb is of his sowing, and by his ingenious methods of amalgamation he has corrupted the earth with tares." [Selected Messages, book 2, p. 288]
Puting thorns on a rose is different from creating the rose from scratch. Puting thorns on a rose also protects it against hungry cows, thus increasing its chances of survival. Are thus thorns the noxious results of devilish ingenuinity or the divine plan of a good creator?

I think that would depend on wether you just stuck your finger on a thorn while trying to fit them into your vase or wether you are looking at deer eating the roses in your garden...


Galatians 2
21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.

It is so hazardous to take here a little and there a little. If you put the right little's together you can make the bible teach anything you wish. //Graham Maxwell
Re: Is the story of the world wide flood a parabel or reality? [Re: vastergotland] #95531
02/10/08 07:12 PM
02/10/08 07:12 PM
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Puting thorns on a rose also protects it against hungry cows, thus increasing its chances of survival. Are thus thorns the noxious results of devilish ingenuinity or the divine plan of a good creator?

If the purpose was that, daisies should have thorns too.

Anyway, Thomas, are thorns part of the creation or of the curse?

"And to Adam he said, "Because you have listened to the voice of your wife, and have eaten of the tree of which I commanded you, ‘You shall not eat of it,’ cursed is the ground because of you; in toil you shall eat of it all the days of your life; thorns and thistles it shall bring forth to you; and you shall eat the plants of the field" (Gen. 3:17, 18).


Re: Is the story of the world wide flood a parabel or reality? [Re: Rosangela] #95532
02/10/08 07:21 PM
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 Originally Posted By: Rosangela
 Quote:
We may also consider all the large animals that exists today which man are too feeble to control. There is no man alive who can control a grown alive crocodile. There is no man alive who can control a grown alive hippotamous.

Of course no man can control any ferocious animal without a weapon, but with weapons this is feasible.

"We know from Genesis, moreover, that pre-Flood man was no ignorant savage. With metal forging from the earliest times (Genesis 4:22), there would have been ample technological scope for man to comfortably exercise dominion over these raptors." http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v16/i1/dinosaurs.asp

However, it would become increasingly difficult for a physically and intellectually weaker race to control animals like those described here:

"The tallest and heaviest dinosaur known from good skeletons is Brachiosaurus brancai (also known as Giraffatitan). Its remains were discovered in Tanzania between 1907–12. Bones from multiple similarly-sized individuals were incorporated into the skeleton now mounted and on display at the Humboldt Museum of Berlin;[37] this mount is 12 meters (39 ft) tall and 22.5 meters (74 ft) long, and would have belonged to an animal that weighed between 30,000 and 60,000 kilograms (70,000 and 130,000 lb). The longest complete dinosaur is the 27 m (89 ft) long Diplodocus, which was discovered in Wyoming in the United States and displayed in Pittsburgh's Carnegie Natural History Museum in 1907." Wiki

Although I agree with Inga we can't affirm that all dinosaurs perished in the flood, I would again mention that the fact that a whole subclass, or superorder (I've not yet reached a conclusion \:\) ) was extinct deeply intrigues scientists.
In the paragraph about size in the wiki article, we read that: "A rough estimate for average dinosaur weight is about 100 kilograms (200 lb)." That is not very different from the average adult human weight.


Galatians 2
21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.

It is so hazardous to take here a little and there a little. If you put the right little's together you can make the bible teach anything you wish. //Graham Maxwell
Re: Is the story of the world wide flood a parabel or reality? [Re: vastergotland] #95534
02/10/08 07:29 PM
02/10/08 07:29 PM
Daryl  Online Canadian

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What wiki article is that?


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Re: Is the story of the world wide flood a parabel or reality? [Re: Rosangela] #95535
02/10/08 07:32 PM
02/10/08 07:32 PM
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 Originally Posted By: Rosangela
 Quote:
Puting thorns on a rose also protects it against hungry cows, thus increasing its chances of survival. Are thus thorns the noxious results of devilish ingenuinity or the divine plan of a good creator?

If the purpose was that, daisies should have thorns too.

Anyway, Thomas, are thorns part of the creation or of the curse?

"And to Adam he said, "Because you have listened to the voice of your wife, and have eaten of the tree of which I commanded you, ‘You shall not eat of it,’ cursed is the ground because of you; in toil you shall eat of it all the days of your life; thorns and thistles it shall bring forth to you; and you shall eat the plants of the field" (Gen. 3:17, 18).

The curse does not say that plants which previously did not have thorns now would have such. The curse says that thorny plants and thistles would grow in wheat fields. Adam will farm the ground and wish for cereals and vegetables but "all" he will see is the thorns and thistles. If we see this to mean that God created thorns and thistles to plauge Adam, I think we are reading more into the text than is there.


Galatians 2
21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.

It is so hazardous to take here a little and there a little. If you put the right little's together you can make the bible teach anything you wish. //Graham Maxwell
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