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Re: Is the story of the world wide flood a parabel or reality? [Re: Mountain Man] #95503
02/10/08 03:59 AM
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 Originally Posted By: Mountain Man
We know the dinosaurs, the "confused species", did not survive the Flood, which means they were not part of the animals God created in the beginning, otherwise He would have guided them onto the Ark (the way the Bible describes it.

MM, we do not know that the dinosaurs did not survive the flood!

I admit that we do not know that they did survive the flood.

Ellen White said something about "confused species," but you added your speculation about dinosaurs making it appear that Ellen said this!

That's the kind of misuse of SOP that Thomas objected to in another thread. (And with this evidence before me, I can better understand why he objected so strenuously. ;\) )

Last edited by Inga; 02/10/08 04:00 AM.
Re: Is the story of the world wide flood a parabel or reality? [Re: Inga] #95508
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Yep, when the use of Ellen leads an SDA to leave the plain meaning of the biblical text, only the x-sda critics smile. Nothing is gained but much is lost.


Galatians 2
21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.

It is so hazardous to take here a little and there a little. If you put the right little's together you can make the bible teach anything you wish. //Graham Maxwell
Re: Is the story of the world wide flood a parabel or reality? [Re: vastergotland] #95510
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Certainly not all dinosaurs perished at the flood:

"One group of dinosaurs is known to have survived to the present day: taxonomists believe modern birds are direct descendants of theropod dinosaurs." - Wiki

Let's take a look again at what Ellen White says:

There were a class of very large animals which perished at the flood. God knew that the strength of man would decrease, and these mammoth animals could not be controlled by feeble man. {4aSG 121.2}

Re: Is the story of the world wide flood a parabel or reality? [Re: Rosangela] #95511
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The problem with that statement is that implies that man was so strong in Noah's day that he could control the dinosaurs. This is clearly false.


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Re: Is the story of the world wide flood a parabel or reality? [Re: Darius] #95514
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Darius,

When you make such 'carte blanche' statements, it would be nice if you would attach a little bit of meat to it, otherwise, they are only 'cliche' statements without any meat or foundation.


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Re: Is the story of the world wide flood a parabel or reality? [Re: Daryl] #95520
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Daryl, to be fair, it is no different when Mike says that humans before the flood had figured out ways to add to Gods creation than Darius noting the absurdity of those same humans being strong enough to control dinosaurs. Both contain equally much "meat"...


Galatians 2
21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.

It is so hazardous to take here a little and there a little. If you put the right little's together you can make the bible teach anything you wish. //Graham Maxwell
Re: Is the story of the world wide flood a parabel or reality? [Re: vastergotland] #95521
02/10/08 05:27 PM
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I agree that any statements like this should be backed up with a reference by whoever makes these kind of statements.


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Daryl smile

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Re: Is the story of the world wide flood a parabel or reality? [Re: Rosangela] #95522
02/10/08 05:38 PM
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 Originally Posted By: Rosangela

Let's take a look again at what Ellen White says:

There were a class of very large animals which perished at the flood. God knew that the strength of man would decrease, and these mammoth animals could not be controlled by feeble man. {4aSG 121.2}

Why can't we leave it at that? Why add to what Ellen said to attempt to make her say that all the dinosaurs perished in the flood?

We don't know precisely what she was shown and can only speculate. Adding our speculations to make it appear that that's what she meant most often serves to discredit her.

For that matter, there were dinosaurs of various sizes. Not all were at or near the size of Tyrannosaurus Rex.

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Re: Is the story of the world wide flood a parabel or reality? [Re: Inga] #95523
02/10/08 05:47 PM
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We may also consider all the large animals that exists today which man are too feeble to control. There is no man alive who can control a grown alive crocodile. There is no man alive who can control a grown alive hippotamous. Yet both of these animals can be seen in the wild aswell as in some zoological gardens by anyone so inclined.


Galatians 2
21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.

It is so hazardous to take here a little and there a little. If you put the right little's together you can make the bible teach anything you wish. //Graham Maxwell
Re: Is the story of the world wide flood a parabel or reality? [Re: Daryl] #95524
02/10/08 05:48 PM
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This passage throws additional lignt on "amalgamation":

"Christ never planted the seeds of death in the system. Satan planted these seeds when he tempted Adam to eat of the tree of knowledge which meant disobedience to God. Not one noxious plant was placed in the Lord's great garden, but after Adam and Eve sinned, poisonous herbs sprang up. . . . All tares are sown by the evil one. Every noxious herb is of his sowing, and by his ingenious methods of amalgamation he has corrupted the earth with tares." [Selected Messages, book 2, p. 288]

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