Actually no! Where can I find it?

That Jesus is waiting till His enemies are made His footstool in order to come out to complete the process.

What is the explanation for the 150?

In the scene in chapters 4 and 5 we see not only the lamps but a sea of glass which seems to indicate the laver, which was not in the holy place but in the courtyard.

There may even be imagery from all three sections if the ark is taken to be the throne as these texts might suggest:


Exo 25:21 And you shall put the mercy seat on the top of the ark, and in the ark you shall put the testimony that I shall give you. 22 There I will meet with you, and from above the mercy seat, from between the two cherubim that are on the ark of the testimony, I will speak with you about all that I will give you in commandment for the people of Israel.

Lev 16:2 and the LORD said to Moses, "Tell Aaron your brother not to come at any time into the Holy Place inside the veil, before the mercy seat that is on the ark, so that he may not die. For I will appear in the cloud over the mercy seat.

Num 7:89 And when Moses went into the tent of meeting to speak with the LORD, he heard the voice speaking to him from above the mercy seat that was on the ark of the testimony, from between the two cherubim; and it spoke to him.

I don't nail down the portion dealing with the scapegoat, and I think aspects of the final judgment relate to the day of atonement. But if Hebrews says that Jesus entered into God's presence, in comparison to the earthly high priest's entry, then I think that part of the type is fulfilled historically at that time. Just as the sacrifice is fulfilled for all services at one time.


I did not say ALL is fulfilled together. But every sacrifice was, and every entry was, which fulfilled the blood rite in God's presence. The rest of the elements do seem to play out in their timing. Nor have I made any suggestion that I know what the scapegoat portion was. And I think I also mentioned that I don't know what the tabernacles was, though I would imagine it would relate to the end and our rejoicing in heaven.



True. Because the type is not fulfilled in every particular. It is the shadow, not the reality. If you disagree then you must explain the difference in priesthoods, etc.

What I object to is that you insist that some are fulfilled on one day and others in long periods. And you also insist on adherence to the type.

I don't postulate strict adherence to the type because I already see exceptions to that rule in Hebrews itself. I do see that the type generally taught a lesson.

Now I would also have no problem with a 150 year fulfillment of the type if that is what the text indicated. But I don't see that the text does indicate that. I see a day of atonement entry fulfilled at the ascension. And I don't see day of atonement allusions in Daniel 8.

As long as this discussion remains as respectful as it has been to this point, I don't see any need in holding back anything.

Also, I personally feel that each forum has its own uniqueness, therefore, I hope this discussion also continues here.

I do agree each has its own flavor. It just becomes difficult to keep up all the conversations. I also think we might learn more if folks all got together.

I was asking because his whole thesis is based on the animals involved being sanctuary animals. You could try calling (269)473-1888. If that doesn't work, let me know, and I'll see if I can find some other way, but I think the chances are pretty good you can get the paper by calling this number.

God's people have not given the message which prepares for the coming of Christ to the world.

In your answer, what is Jesus waiting for? I know you wrote till His enemies are made His footstool, but what does this mean to you? And what has to happen until this becomes the case?

Excellent insight! That's exactly what the laver represents. Waters in Scripture represent evil. When Israel walked through the Red Sea, they were symbolically defeating evil, which experience the laver reminded them of. Standing on the sea of glass also represents vanquishing evil, and is pointed to by the laver. One last thing I'll mention in correspondence to the laver is that it represents the resurrection as well (being located after the alter, which represents the cross), which is the true vanquishing of evil upon which all other victories rest.