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What does "Blameless" and "Upright" before God mean...? #97613
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I was reading Job in studying for the lesson one day and as I came across the first chapter, and first verse it dawned on me that Job wasnt sinless but was called "blameless" and "upright". What made Job "blameless" and "upright" before God? Was it from faith and his belief in God that he is called this or because he did what was 'right before God', or is it like Justifcation/Sanctification, that one spawns the other?

Re: What does "Blameless" and "Upright" before God mean...? [Re: Rick H] #97621
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Maybe that his intentions were always in the direction of God?


Galatians 2
21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.

It is so hazardous to take here a little and there a little. If you put the right little's together you can make the bible teach anything you wish. //Graham Maxwell
Re: What does "Blameless" and "Upright" before God mean...? [Re: vastergotland] #97651
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R: What made Job "blameless" and "upright" before God?

MM: Faith in and through Jesus, faith that works by love and purifies the soul. It's the same thing Jesus demonstrated while He was here in the flesh.

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But how could they have such faith if they had not yet seen Christ in the flesh, was it that fully explained to Adam and Eve at the fall. Do you think it was Christ that walked and talked to Abraham in that dialog on Sodom.......

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Re: What does "Blameless" and "Upright" before God mean...? [Re: Rick H] #97778
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But how could they have such faith if they had not yet seen Christ in the flesh, was it that fully explained to Adam and Eve at the fall. Do you think it was Christ that walked and talked to Abraham in that dialog on Sodom.......


We haven't seen Christ in the flesh either.

Certainly we have an advantage in having the Gospels and other records regarding Christ, but they must have known something in order to be justified by faith in Christ. The only way we know anything is by the revelation of the Holy Spirit, and He, of course, was just as able to reveal things to them as to us.


Those who wait for the Bridegroom's coming are to say to the people, "Behold your God." The last rays of merciful light, the last message of mercy to be given to the world, is a revelation of His character of love.
Re: What does "Blameless" and "Upright" before God mean...? [Re: Rick H] #97787
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 Originally Posted By: Richard
Do you think it was Christ that walked and talked to Abraham in that dialog on Sodom.......

Yes, it was. All divine communication to fallen man has been through Jesus.


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There is no excuse for any one in taking the position that there is no more truth to be revealed, and that all our expositions of Scripture are without an error. The fact that certain doctrines have been held as truth for many years by our people, is not a proof that our ideas are infallible. Age will not make error into truth, and truth can afford to be fair. No true doctrine will lose anything by close investigation. RH 12/20/1892
Re: What does "Blameless" and "Upright" before God mean...? [Re: asygo] #97791
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Richard, being like Jesus is not an accident. By beholding Jesus we become like Jesus. There is no other way to be like Jesus. Enoch became like Jesus because he beheld Jesus, because he fellowshipped with Jesus. The same is true of everyone who are like Jesus. By faith we behold Jesus. By faith we become like Him.

Is it easier to behold Jesus nowadays? Absolutely! Does it give us advantage? Yes! Nevertheless, the people who lived before Jesus' incarnation and earthly ministry beheld Him through the eyes of faith and were blessed to be like Jesus.

Re: What does "Blameless" and "Upright" before God mean...? [Re: Mountain Man] #97807
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Yes, it was. All divine communication to fallen man has been through Jesus.


That's very good Arnold! (wish I had said it)


Those who wait for the Bridegroom's coming are to say to the people, "Behold your God." The last rays of merciful light, the last message of mercy to be given to the world, is a revelation of His character of love.
Re: What does "Blameless" and "Upright" before God mean...? [Re: Tom] #97812
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A: All divine communication to fallen man has been through Jesus.

MM: What about all the times Gabriel communicated with people?

Re: What does "Blameless" and "Upright" before God mean...? [Re: Mountain Man] #97863
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 Originally Posted By: Mountain Man
A: All divine communication to fallen man has been through Jesus.

MM: What about all the times Gabriel communicated with people?

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The mystic ladder of his dream represented Jesus, the only medium of communication between God and man. {SC 19.2}

After the transgression of Adam, the Lord spoke no longer directly with man; the human race was given into the hands of Christ, and all communication came through Him to the world. {FE 237.1}

Apparently, even communication sent through Gabriel was still dependent on Jesus as the medium.

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By God's grace,
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There is no excuse for any one in taking the position that there is no more truth to be revealed, and that all our expositions of Scripture are without an error. The fact that certain doctrines have been held as truth for many years by our people, is not a proof that our ideas are infallible. Age will not make error into truth, and truth can afford to be fair. No true doctrine will lose anything by close investigation. RH 12/20/1892
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