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Re: The truth about the fall
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08/06/03 03:51 AM
08/06/03 03:51 AM
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Originally posted by Mike Lowe:
And if we totally surrender to Jesus and completely submit to the indwelling Spirit of God we shall know the doctrine and truth that sets us free from sin and sinning. Not only will the earth continue to rotate on its axis and around the sun - the Sun of Righteousness Himself will arise daily in our hearts and shine forth unto the honor and glory of God.
But it is not total surrender if we say that the facts of the fall are not important. God expects us to improve our knowledge. Just as the medieval church had to accept its error on the cosmological question before humanity could experience the benefits of the tremendous advances made subsequent, so also must the church be willing to accept its error on the lapsarian question.
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Re: The truth about the fall
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08/06/03 03:58 AM
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If this question (objection) you've raised regarding Sister White's inspired insights concerning the fall of Eve were a salvation issue - then I know God would not have allowed her to get it wrong. I agree with you that the implications associated with the fall of Eve are paramount, therfore I am convinced that Ellen White's insights are indeed correct.
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Re: The truth about the fall
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08/05/03 04:14 PM
08/05/03 04:14 PM
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Originally posted by Mike Lowe:
If this question (objection) you've raised regarding Sister White's inspired insights concerning the fall of Eve were a salvation issue - then I know God would not have allowed her to get it wrong.
That's a false premise, for it assumes that EGW is the definitive word on what is true. There is no single definitive on what is truth, so if one particular agent allows itself to be influenced God has no stakes in preventing it. The truth is out there when all sources are considered. What you are doing is dangerous for it even places EGW's writings above the Bible, for you are saying that God allowed Moses to get it wrong but not EGW.
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Re: The truth about the fall
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08/05/03 11:40 PM
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Darius' statement that Mike is saying that God allowed Moses to get it wrong but not EGW is an interesting one.
Where exactly did Mike imply this, or what exactly did Mike say that implied this?
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Re: The truth about the fall
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08/06/03 12:30 PM
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Originally posted by Daryl Fawcett:
Darius' statement that Mike is saying that God allowed Moses to get it wrong but not EGW is an interesting one.
Where exactly did Mike imply this, or what exactly did Mike say that implied this?
Moses could have written about the prohibition AFTER he had recorded Eve's creation, and said that God told them. Instead he places the prohibition some time BEFORE Eve was created. When God told Adam was not a central issue so even if she was told afterward, putting the two together would have done no harm. EGW plainly states that God told Eve. Since Mike insists that God would not have allowed EGW to get this wrong, this means that he believes Moses did. Why he thinks God would not allow EGW to get it wrong when God did not interfere when Lucifer was going wrong is beyond me.
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Re: The truth about the fall
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08/12/03 06:06 PM
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Oops! I did not mean to imply that Moses got it wrong and that Sister White got it right. God forbid. I believe both of them are right. I do not see a contradiction between the two inspired authors. Moses recorded some candid facts whereas Sister White recorded them chronologically. Both were shown the same facts via vision/dream.
Is Ellen White as inspired as Moses? Of course she is. Our Lord is one Lord. Inspiration is inspiration. He worked through Sister White in the same way He worked through all the biblical authors. We cannot say one is more inspired than the other, for they all wrote for God.
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Re: The truth about the fall
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08/12/03 06:35 PM
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Originally posted by Mike Lowe:
Oops! I did not mean to imply that Moses got it wrong and that Sister White got it right. God forbid. I believe both of them are right. I do not see a contradiction between the two inspired authors. Moses recorded some candid facts whereas Sister White recorded them chronologically. Both were shown the same facts via vision/dream.
Why would Moses leave out the fact that God told Eve, considering that he takes the time to say that the serpent was crafty? I am still trying to determine what you understand deception to mean. It appears that deception and persuasion are the same according to your way of thinking. Please clarify.
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Is Ellen White as inspired as Moses? Of course she is. Our Lord is one Lord. Inspiration is inspiration. He worked through Sister White in the same way He worked through all the biblical authors. We cannot say one is more inspired than the other, for they all wrote for God.
But inspiration does not mean the prophet is perfect in his recording. This would not be the first time that EGW has been factually mistaken. Nor would she be the only prophet to be wrong factually. She accepted a popular interpretation and stated it as fact. I don't see how you can conclude that Eve was deceived if she had been told by God directly. The serpent did not pretend to be God. He did not claim to be representing God. If Eve had first had knowledge there was no deception. That would mean that Paul was wrong. But the conditions under which Paul makes that comment show that he was correct.
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Re: The truth about the fall
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08/13/03 03:04 AM
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The fact is that Eve was told.
Does it really matter who told Eve?
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Re: The truth about the fall
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08/13/03 05:15 AM
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Yes!!!!
If God did not tell Eve personally then what kind of God do we serve? Sister White makes it clear that God told them both. Any other idea undermines the integrity of God.
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Re: The truth about the fall
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08/13/03 12:27 PM
08/13/03 12:27 PM
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Yes!!!!
If God did not tell Eve personally then what kind of God do we serve? Sister White makes it clear that God told them both. Any other idea undermines the integrity of God.
I wish you would stop making conclusory statements without any supporting evidence. The fact that you seem to depend on EGW as the ultimate interpreter of the Bible, a position she never claimed, is very troubling.
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