Again, she explains why the Father is free to pardon penitent sinners. It is because Jesus satisfied the demands of justice when He tasted their death on the cross. He is the propitiation for sins. Forgiveness is one of the results of His death. He pleads His blood and wounded hands before the Father for mercy and more time.

FW 104
It is the Father's prerogative to forgive our transgressions and sins, because Christ has taken upon Himself our guilt and reprieved us, imputing to us His own righteousness. His sacrifice satisfies fully the demands of justice. . . He forgives transgressions and sins for the sake of Jesus, who has become the propitiation for our sins. {FW 104}

3SM 154
Mere forgiveness of sin is not the sole result of the death of Jesus. He made the infinite sacrifice not only that sin might be removed, but that human nature might be restored, rebeautified, reconstructed from its ruins, and made fit for the presence of God. {3SM 154.1}

HP 42
By pledging His own life Christ has made Himself responsible for every man and woman on the earth. He stands in the presence of God, saying, "Father, I take upon Myself the guilt of that soul. It means death to him if he is left to bear it. If he repents he shall be forgiven. My blood shall cleanse him from all sin. I gave My life for the sins of the world." {HP 42.5}

2T 106
He cries, "Spare them, Father, spare them, they are the purchase of My blood," and lifts to His Father His wounded hands. You have been guilty before God of a great sin. {2T 106.1}

LS 118
I saw four angels who had a work to do on the earth, and were on their way to accomplish it. Jesus was clothed with priestly garments. He gazed in pity on the remnant, then raised His hands, and with a voice of deep pity cried, "My blood, Father, My blood! My blood! My blood!" {LS 118.3}

I agree with this. I've written a great deal regarding this.



The same point applies here. That is, I've written regarding this a great deal.

That Christ did not have to die in order to make it possible for God to legally pardon is clear from the fact that God offered Lucifer pardon again and again. Thus some other interpretation of her meaning is required.



I believe this thought is correct.

Regarding your post #98735, I would make the same points. First of all, that God did not need Christ's death for Himself is made clear by His treatment of Lucifer. Christ's death was necessary for us, as Fifield pointed out.

I'm curious on this one. What do you think this means? Do you think it means that God wants to kill them, but Jesus prevents God from doing so? So it's a good thing we have Jesus to protect us from God?

Tom, if what Fifield wrote is true, to whom or what did the Father pay to pardon penitent sinners? Also, to whom or what did He pay for the law that was broken?

On another note, your assumption about Lucifer are unfounded. Please do not cite it as though it is an undisputed fact. It serves no purpose. Thank you.

Is that what you think it means?

If so, what does His blood have to do with it?

Why does He have to plead His blood to the Father in order to prolong probation?

Why not plead something else?

Why plead at all? Why is intercession of His blood necessary?

Isn't the Father just as willing as Jesus to grant sinners more time to repent?

MM, why when I ask you a question do you respond with 6 more? I'll answer the first one. No, that's not what I think it means.

As he stated, Christ's death was the price paid to bring us to a repentant whereby we could accept the pardon which was freely offered us by the Father.



The price was paid for us. The broken law represents a broken relationship. In order for their to be an at-one-ment, Christ's death was necessary.



I didn't assume anything.



What I stated is easily provable.



God offered Lucifer pardon again and again without Christ's having died.

Tom, yes, of course the death of Jesus was necessary to make us repentant and pardonable. Neither one of us disputes this fact. Now, let's move beyond this point and address the question - Why?

To whom or what did God pay the price of Jesus' life to 1) make us repentant and pardonable, and 2) to satisfy the just and loving demands of law and justice?

When Jesus lived and died the perfect life and death He earned the right to own our sin and second death. “The second Adam stood the test of trial and temptation that He might become the Owner of all humanity.” (3SM 141) “He is the owner of every man and woman and child who comes into the world. This He became by paying the redemption price.” (TDG 355) “Ye are not your own; ye are bought with a price which cannot be estimated. Then your owner is God, the mighty God, and for the price paid look to the cross of Calvary.” (UL 150) God says, “I am the rightful owner of the universe ...” (OHC 199)

He also earned the legal right to pardon the penitent. God sacrificed His Son “that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.” (Romans 3:26) “By His word God has bound Himself to execute the penalty of the law on all transgressors.” (6BC 1095) “In the plan of redemption there must be the shedding of blood, for death must come in consequence of man’s sin.” (CON 22) “Justice demands that sin be not merely pardoned, but the death penalty must be executed. God, in the gift of His only-begotten Son, met both these requirements. By dying in man’s stead, Christ exhausted the penalty and provided a pardon.” (1SM 340)

TE: MM, why when I ask you a question do you respond with 6 more? I'll answer the first one. No, that's not what I think it means.

MM: I needed more information to answer your question. I'm glad to know you don't think that's what it means. Now, can you please help me with the other questions? Why does Jesus have to plead His blood before the Father in order to buy more probation time for sinners? Isn't the Father and the Son "on the same page"?

MM, I quoted the following from EGW:



Actually, you listed this, among a number of other quotes. You evidently had some purpose for doing so. I'm asking you what you think the quote means.

Why would you need any information from me? You are able to tell me what you think the quote means without any information from me.