Lindax, your testimony is awesome. Thank you, Jesus. If you are living in harmony with your conscience and convictions, living up to the light you have received, there is no reason for you to doubt God's forgiveness and acceptance of you. Praise the Lord.

She says that those who have not the Spirit of Christ deny Christ may deny Christ in a number of ways (the list she cites). She does not say that someone doing something on the list is of necessity denying Christ. The logic goes in one direction, not the other.

For example, one can take a ferry, a train, or drive a car to get to work. Anyone going to work does one of these things. It does not follow that someone doing one of these things is going to work.



MM, your positions are self-contradicting. As I stated before:



It cannot be the case that both the following are true:

1.Neglecting to abide in Jesus is a known sin.
2.No one who abides in Jesus commits a known sin.

unless you believe that once someone abides in Jesus, they can never discontinue doing so.

After the list of denials she concludes, "In all these ways they declare that Christ is not in them." Please notice what she didn't say. She didn't say, In *some* of these ways they declare that Christ is not in them.

In other words, in every one of the ways and works she named people who profess to be Christians are declaring that Jesus is not dwelling in their hearts. In all of these ways they deny Jesus. Here's how it is described in the Bible:

Titus
1:15 Unto the pure all things [are] pure: but unto them that are defiled and unbelieving [is] nothing pure; but even their mind and conscience is defiled.
1:16 They profess that they know God; but in works they deny [him], being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate.

Tom, I am surprised you are arguing against this point. Nothing could be plainer in the Bible. People who profess to know God deny Jesus when their works do not correspond to their profession. Please name one or more of the ways and works Sister White listed that do not deny Jesus in cases involving people who profess to be Christians. For your convenience, I posted the list earlier on this thread.


Correct. But this analogy does not take into consideration what Sister White wrote about the list of ways and works she named. She said, "In all these ways they declare that Christ is not in them." Whether or not a person is on a ferry, a train, or in a car it does not change the fact Jesus is not in their heart if they are guilty of anyone one of the ways and works on the list.


You're right, I sit corrected. The only known sin we can commit while abiding in Jesus is the sin of omitting or neglecting to abide in Jesus.

You're still applying the logic in the wrong direction.

Consider the analogy again. I go to work by ferry, train, or car. "In all these ways, I go to work." Just because I'm on a ferry, train, or car, does not mean I'm going to work. Notice I didn't say that in some of these ways I go to work. In *all* of these ways I go to work, but because I'm doing one of these things, does not mean I'm going to work!



But after committing this known sin, one can commit any other. So saying one cannot commit a known sin while abiding in Jesus (other than stopping to abide in Jesus) isn't really saying much, is it? It's pretty much saying "As long as one is not committing a known sin, one cannot commit a known sin," isn't it?

Tom, how do you explain 1 John 3:6, 9?

John is not describing the process of being born again in this passage. He does so in John chapter 3. He discusses a characteristic of one who is born again, which is that such a one does not practice sin. It's the same idea that EGW discusses in saying that the character is not determined by the occasional good deed or the occasional misdeed. John allows for the possibility of one sinning by saying that "if anyone sin, we have an advocated with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous."

Where in 1 John 3:6,9 does it imply "if any man sin"? The text says the exact opposite, does it not?

Sorry, I thought you were familiar with this.

Okay, but where in 1 John 3:6,9 does it imply "if any man sin"? The text says the exact opposite, does it not?

Here's what I said:



This is in 1 John 2:1.

Please note I did not say "1 John 3:6,9 says 'if anyone sin,' etc."