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Re: The testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy....
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MM: In what way? Didn't Jesus invest the Church with authority? Isn't it the voice of God on earth when in general conference? Are you familiar with the "kingly power" statements of EGW, and the problems that she addressed in the early 1900's? This speaks to the issue.
Those who wait for the Bridegroom's coming are to say to the people, "Behold your God." The last rays of merciful light, the last message of mercy to be given to the world, is a revelation of His character of love.
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Re: The testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy....
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Yes, it does. But when the church in GC is abiding in Jesus it is the voice of God. Do you agree?
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Re: The testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy....
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Sure. Of course, this isn't limited to the GC.
I agree that there is an organized church which has a special mission. IOW, the Seventh-day Adventist church is special. And the leadership plays a special role in this regard, which is why the reception of J&W by leadership is such a big thing (EGW wrote more on this subject than virtually any other subject, including, for example, the Sabbath). However, we are not dependent upon authority in order to receive truth.
Those who wait for the Bridegroom's coming are to say to the people, "Behold your God." The last rays of merciful light, the last message of mercy to be given to the world, is a revelation of His character of love.
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Re: The testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy....
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The truth must be authoritative, right? It is not wise or safe to "receive truth" which does not bear the stamp of divine approval or authority. We can only trust the writings of J&W so far as they are endorsed by the SOP or the Church in GC. Everything that they wrote which was not specifically endorsed is suspect at best, and heresy at worst. And, of course, everything that they wrote which was specifically condemned is heresy.
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Re: The testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy....
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The truth must be authoritative, right? It is not wise or safe to "receive truth" which does not bear the stamp of divine approval or authority. We can only trust the writings of J&W so far as they are endorsed by the SOP or the Church in GC. Everything that they wrote which was not specifically endorsed is suspect at best, and heresy at worst. And, of course, everything that they wrote which was specifically condemned is heresy. I assume that you never read any books on theology lacking the GC imprematur, nor ever use any bible commentaries except for the adventist bible commentary. I think truth is truth no matter who happened to write or publish or endorse it. How do we know the true from the false? Without the Spirits gift of discernment, we dont. Without the Spirits assistance, you can walk away with herecy from the bible or Ellens writings or any other source which may have the approval of some people you trust to tell the truth about divine approval. Then, it is always wise to excersise caution when (if) reading the writings of identified apostates. Error just doesnt one day knock on the door and walk in, it sneaks in and infiltrates a little at a time. Who can tell when J&W passed the line between christian faith and panentheism, who can tell when it had infiltrated enough to trap the unwary who follows in their books. Precaution seems at its place.
Galatians 2
21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.
It is so hazardous to take here a little and there a little. If you put the right little's together you can make the bible teach anything you wish. //Graham Maxwell
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Re: The testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy....
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03/19/08 06:43 PM
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That is why these thing must be spiritually discerned my brother, and you must pray for the Holy Spirit to guide you into all truth...
John 16:13
Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.
1 Corinthians 2:14
But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
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Re: The testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy....
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The truth must be authoritative, right? It is not wise or safe to "receive truth" which does not bear the stamp of divine approval or authority. We can only trust the writings of J&W so far as they are endorsed by the SOP or the Church in GC. Everything that they wrote which was not specifically endorsed is suspect at best, and heresy at worst. And, of course, everything that they wrote which was specifically condemned is heresy. If we believed this, we would never read anything except books written by Ellen White, or specifically endorsed by her. Ellen White told us that God had more truth to communicate to us. How can we know it's true, since she's dead? If we followed your advice, we wouldn't accept any new truth, since she's not around to endorse it. We can know truth because of the Holy Spirit. But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him. (1 John 2:27) God is not stingy with truth. He gives truth to anyone who is willing and able to receive it, according to their ability to understand what He has to give. God does not only give truth to Adventists. How can we discern what is truth? By the Holy Spirit. When I first read The Desire of Ages, I knew nothing of Ellen White. I read the book, and knew the book was written by someone who was inspired. The Holy Spirit enables those who wish to do God's will to tell what is truth as soon as they see or hear it, and they accept it, not on the authority of the man through whom it came to them, but on the authority of the God of truth. We may be as sure of the truth which we hold and teach as the apostle Paul was. But whenever anybody cites the name of some highly-esteemed preacher or doctor of divinity, to justify his belief, or to give it more weight with some person whom he would convince, you may be sure that he himself does not know the truth of what he professes. It may be the truth, but he does not know for himself that it is true. It is everybody's privilege to know the truth (John 8:31,32); and when one holds a truth directly from God, ten thousand times ten thousand great names in its favor do not add a feather's weight to its authority; nor is his confidence in the least shaken if every great man on earth should oppose it. It is a grand thing to be built on the Rock. (The Glad Tidings)
Those who wait for the Bridegroom's coming are to say to the people, "Behold your God." The last rays of merciful light, the last message of mercy to be given to the world, is a revelation of His character of love.
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Re: The testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy....
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Dear saints of the living God I`d like to say unto you happy sabbath God Bless you and plz lets not 4get Proverbs 3 v 1-6 lets trust in him for he will direct our paths
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Re: The testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy....
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The truth must be authoritative, right? It is not wise or safe to "receive truth" which does not bear the stamp of divine approval or authority. We can only trust the writings of J&W so far as they are endorsed by the SOP or the Church in GC. Everything that they wrote which was not specifically endorsed is suspect at best, and heresy at worst. And, of course, everything that they wrote which was specifically condemned is heresy. If we believed this, we would never read anything except books written by Ellen White, or specifically endorsed by her. Ellen White told us that God had more truth to communicate to us. How can we know it's true, since she's dead? If we followed your advice, we wouldn't accept any new truth, since she's not around to endorse it. We can know truth because of the Holy Spirit. But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him. (1 John 2:27) God is not stingy with truth. He gives truth to anyone who is willing and able to receive it, according to their ability to understand what He has to give. God does not only give truth to Adventists. How can we discern what is truth? By the Holy Spirit. When I first read The Desire of Ages, I knew nothing of Ellen White. I read the book, and knew the book was written by someone who was inspired. The Holy Spirit enables those who wish to do God's will to tell what is truth as soon as they see or hear it, and they accept it, not on the authority of the man through whom it came to them, but on the authority of the God of truth. We may be as sure of the truth which we hold and teach as the apostle Paul was. But whenever anybody cites the name of some highly-esteemed preacher or doctor of divinity, to justify his belief, or to give it more weight with some person whom he would convince, you may be sure that he himself does not know the truth of what he professes. It may be the truth, but he does not know for himself that it is true. It is everybody's privilege to know the truth (John 8:31,32); and when one holds a truth directly from God, ten thousand times ten thousand great names in its favor do not add a feather's weight to its authority; nor is his confidence in the least shaken if every great man on earth should oppose it. It is a grand thing to be built on the Rock. (The Glad Tidings) My neighbor said the same thing about Steps to Christ, and she knew nothing about Adventist.....
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Re: The testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy....
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Tom and Thomas, we should be able to agree that the truths necessary to be like Jesus are available to us now and forever, and that they are contained within the Bible. We should also be able to agree that whatever truths this or that person did not have the chance to reveal to us are not necessary for our salvation. Additionally, we should be able to agree that we are not waiting for God to share new light that is essential to our salvation. Everything we need to know to be like Jesus has already been revealed to us in the Bible.
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