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Re: The testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy....
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There's such a thing as present truth. If present truth is rejected, that can have a negative impact on one's salvation.
Those who wait for the Bridegroom's coming are to say to the people, "Behold your God." The last rays of merciful light, the last message of mercy to be given to the world, is a revelation of His character of love.
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Re: The testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy....
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05/03/08 01:53 PM
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But hasn't "present truth" been available to the church, to us, for over 100 hundreds now? Or, has God been withholding certain truths to be revealed later on, truths He has not yet entrusted the church with?
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Re: The testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy....
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Yes, there's more truth to come. The SOP made this clear. 1888, for example, she termed as such, calling it the "beginning of the latter rain." That was just the beginning.
Those who wait for the Bridegroom's coming are to say to the people, "Behold your God." The last rays of merciful light, the last message of mercy to be given to the world, is a revelation of His character of love.
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Re: The testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy....
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Tom, these truths you are referring to, will they be necessary for salvation? Will people at the end of time be judged by them? Will they be necessary for developing character? Will they be necessary to stand before God without a Mediator after probation closes?
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Re: The testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy....
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The point about present truth is that if present truth is rejected, that is a sign that one is resisting the Spirit of God. It's not that one must believe this particular thing to be saved; one must have a relationship with Jesus Christ to be saved, and if He is saying a certain thing at a certain time (present truth; e.g. "get on the ark") then those who are saved will heed the present truth message.
Those who wait for the Bridegroom's coming are to say to the people, "Behold your God." The last rays of merciful light, the last message of mercy to be given to the world, is a revelation of His character of love.
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Re: The testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy....
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Tom and Thomas, we should be able to agree that the truths necessary to be like Jesus are available to us now and forever, and that they are contained within the Bible. We should also be able to agree that whatever truths this or that person did not have the chance to reveal to us are not necessary for our salvation. Additionally, we should be able to agree that we are not waiting for God to share new light that is essential to our salvation. Everything we need to know to be like Jesus has already been revealed to us in the Bible. Indeed, it is true that the truth necessary to be like Jesus is available to us now in the bible. Also, due to another conversation I had this weekend, I happen to know that Ellen endorces it in COL chapter 3 for those of you for whom the bible is not clear enough. Simply stated, to be like Jesus, to be like the Father, we must live the sermon on the mount. We must love our enemy and pray for those who persecute us. This is the perfection Jesus seeks in us.
Galatians 2
21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.
It is so hazardous to take here a little and there a little. If you put the right little's together you can make the bible teach anything you wish. //Graham Maxwell
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Re: The testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy....
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Tom and Thomas, we should be able to agree that the truths necessary to be like Jesus are available to us now and forever, and that they are contained within the Bible. We should also be able to agree that whatever truths this or that person did not have the chance to reveal to us are not necessary for our salvation. Additionally, we should be able to agree that we are not waiting for God to share new light that is essential to our salvation. Everything we need to know to be like Jesus has already been revealed to us in the Bible. There are those who will be saved who have not had access to Scripture at all.
Those who wait for the Bridegroom's coming are to say to the people, "Behold your God." The last rays of merciful light, the last message of mercy to be given to the world, is a revelation of His character of love.
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Re: The testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy....
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Does this apply to the final generation?
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Re: The testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy....
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Does what? That people will be saved who had not access to Scripture? If so, why are you asking this?
Those who wait for the Bridegroom's coming are to say to the people, "Behold your God." The last rays of merciful light, the last message of mercy to be given to the world, is a revelation of His character of love.
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Re: The testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy....
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Just curious if you think people will be translated alive who never heard of Jesus or the Bible. If not, why not?
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