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Re: The truth about the fall
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09/26/03 02:49 AM
09/26/03 02:49 AM
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Darius,
Whether or not you previously posted an answer to what I am about to ask, please clearly provide me with a clear answer here to the following:
Please clearly show me by references, as the Bereans would, where what Ellen White said about Eve being warned by God through angels, etc. contradicts both Moses' account and Paul's account.
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Re: The truth about the fall
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09/26/03 02:53 AM
09/26/03 02:53 AM
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quote:
Originally posted by Daryl Fawcett:
Please clearly show me by references, as the Bereans would, where what Ellen White said about Eve being warned by God through angels, etc. contradicts both Moses' account and Paul's account.
I don't have to do that as it actually makes my point. If Eve was told by the angels then she clearly did not hear it from God firsthand. That has been my contention all along. The fact that I believe it was only communicated to her by Adam is now irrelevant.
However, Mike has been claiming that God told Eve because it did not make sense to him that God would not tell her. The problem is that he had hurriedly found a passage in which EGW says that God told her. If he had been more diligent in his research he would have located the Early Writings quote and would have had to make a different argument.
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Re: The truth about the fall
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09/26/03 02:58 AM
09/26/03 02:58 AM
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quote:
Originally posted by Avalee:
I had the thought of clicking on your profile Darius to see if you were a Seventh-day Advintist christian..but I did not as I thought for sure you were not since you did not seem to belive in the Spirit of Prophecy on this issue..
Tell me this, do you think that the millions who do not agree with Paul when he says that women should be silent in the church are not really Christians?
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Re: The truth about the fall
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09/25/03 03:19 PM
09/25/03 03:19 PM
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quote:
Originally posted by Darius:
Please tell me why you automatically assume the what EGW wrote in commentary about Gen. 2 and 3 must be correct and ignore what Paul wrote in commentary? Why do you refuse to follow the example of the Bereans?
Darius I happen to beleive they are both right, so I am not ignoring Paul or the Spirit Of Prophecy. I do not find it hard to beleive that Eve was deceived by Satan even though she was told by God or the Holy Angels or whoever. She was is good company to be decieved. Even the angels in Heaven was decieved by Satan, and they sure had more opportunity to know better. If the angels in Heaven were decieved it is not very hard to beleive that allthough Eve had been told by God not to do this she was still deceived. Not hard at all. ![[Thank You]](graemlins/thanks.gif)
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Angels on probation had been deceived by Satan, and had been led on by him in the great rebellion in heaven against Christ. They failed to endure the test brought to bear upon them, and they fell. Adam was then created in the image of God and placed upon probation. He had a perfectly developed organism. All his faculties were harmonious. In all his emotions, words, and actions, there was a perfect conformity to the will of his Maker. After God had made every provision for the happiness of man, and had supplied his every want, He tested his loyalty. If the holy pair should be obedient, the race would, after a time, be made equal to the angels. As Adam and Eve failed to bear this test, Christ proposed to become a voluntary offering for man. {Con 18.2}
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Re: The truth about the fall
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09/25/03 05:46 PM
09/25/03 05:46 PM
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Avalee, maybe you should stop posting those EGW quotations. The Bible does not say the angels were deceived by Lucifer nor does that view agree with the facts. The angels knew exactly what they were doing. They knew they were being asked to take sides against God. If they had been deceived they would not have been expelled from the kingdom along with Lucifer.
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Re: The truth about the fall
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09/25/03 09:41 PM
09/25/03 09:41 PM
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Darius, I must caution you as one of our forum rules basically states that you must respect Ellen White as a messenger of God. quote:
4 - You must also either believe in or respect one of those 27 fundamental beliefs regarding Ellen G White as a messenger of God for both her time and our time.
Your post to Avalee shows disrespect to her writings which have come to her from God by via visions, dreams, etc. and as a result are in violation of the above forum rule.
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Re: The truth about the fall
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09/25/03 11:47 PM
09/25/03 11:47 PM
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It is easily shown that my post does not violate that forum rule as it is written, but I won't go into that. I will state this. If that rule actually is intended to force me to grant to EGW a higher level of deference than I would grant to writers of the Bible then it is a violation of conscience to which I cannot bow. I dare say that I probably have more respect for the ministry of EGW than any on this group who make a similar claim. I will not go against her own advice and place her on a level that she said does not belong on. It may appear to be a mark of religious piety to make glorious claims for EGW. In effect it does more harm to her ministry in the long run.
As to my remark to Avalee that she stop posting the EGW quotes, I was only referring to the particular quotes she had unearthed which demonstrate that the prophet was a bit overzealous. EGW would not be the first prophet to do so.
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Re: The truth about the fall
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09/26/03 10:24 AM
09/26/03 10:24 AM
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quote:
Originally posted by Darius:
As to my remark to Avalee that she stop posting the EGW quotes, I was only referring to the particular quotes she had unearthed which demonstrate that the prophet was a bit overzealous. EGW would not be the first prophet to do so.
What a shame to be so disrespectful to the prophet God has given us.
And of course I will not ever stop posting the truth from the Bible and the Spirit of Prophecy just because it makes a few people unhappy. ![[Heart]](graemlins/heart.gif)
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Re: The truth about the fall
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09/26/03 11:27 AM
09/26/03 11:27 AM
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quote:
Originally posted by Avalee:
And of course I will not ever stop posting the truth from the Bible and the Spirit of Prophecy just because it makes a few people unhappy.
It would help if you read and understand the passages before you post them. That is how you show respect to the messengers of God. Their messages are to be read and understood.
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Re: The truth about the fall
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09/26/03 11:44 AM
09/26/03 11:44 AM
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Darius,
I must regretfully inform you that because of your continued violation of our forum rule as already stated in a previous post, you are banned from further posting in MSDAOL.
Ellen White referred to herself as a lesser light leading to the greater light. Your posts show not only disrespect to the lesser light, but also to the greater.
My prayer is that the day will come when we will be able to remove this ban.
Daryl Fawcett
Administrator
Maritime SDA OnLine
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